Philosophy Now Forum

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:40 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:31 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:25 pm
Yep. But I think it's made.

You said that people on the right could be KKK. I say there's no reason to think so, and every reason, in fact, to know that's not so.

I never said any such thing.

VT wrote: You might as well say that everyone who votes centre-right is a member of the KKK.

Apparently, somebody's been stealing your computer and your pseudonym.

I recommend you sue.

According to you, the KKK are 'woke'.

I'd say, "Show me where I said that," but I already know you can't.

What I said, if you look, is that the KKK are not Republican or "right wing." The KKK was, from its inception, Democrat. And you know that's true, if you checked.

And you think that's the same thing? Can you even read?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:39 pm But according to you 'the left' means 'woke', so 'the right' must mean 'fascist'.

I’d say the opposite of woke (awakened) is asleep or slumbering.

Republicans are slumbering, unaware of or ignoring the collectivist problems of our marginalized members of society.

At its worst, the extreme Right, in the name of individualism, is ignorant of society itself.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:56 pm
The Left also hates dissenting opinions,

Of course dissenting opinions are not part of the Left’s dogma, just as dissenting opinions are not part of the Right’s.

Individualism, you say, encourages individual ideas. But those individual ideas, most homogenously, must oppose Pro-Choice, Gun Safety, governmental programs, governmental rules and regulations and taxes, to name a few. And no loyal Rightist can oppose the death penalty without being cast out.

Do not engage in gaslighting about the acceptance of dissenting or diverse thoughts. Do not complain of homogeneity without looking in a mirror first.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:44 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:56 pm
The Left also hates dissenting opinions,

Of course dissenting opinions are not part of the Left’s dogma, just as dissenting opinions are not part of the Right’s.

Individualism, you say, encourages individual ideas. But those individual ideas, most homogenously, must oppose Pro-Choice, Gun Safety, governmental programs, governmental rules and regulations and taxes, to name a few. And no loyal Rightist can oppose the death penalty without being cast out.

Do not engage in gaslighting about the acceptance of dissenting or diverse thoughts. Do not complain of homogeneity without looking in a mirror first.

Yes, and the people who seem to think only the Left has a political correctness have very short memories.

Because there isn't a HUGE difference between the main political parties in modern Western democracies (so-called centre/left or centre/right) then of course there are wokie phonies (tautology) who vote for either one of those. Not everyone votes the same way at every election

iambiguous wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:12 pm From dictionary.com

wokeism:
Usually Disparaging. promotion of liberal progressive ideology and policy as an expression of sensitivity to systemic injustices and prejudices:
"She worked for nearly a decade at the university before she finally tired of the influence of wokeism."
“The only religion allowed around here is wokeism,” he complained.

Okay, but is there or is there not the conservative equivalent of this? Liberals go after those who don't think like they do about race or gender or sexual orientation or abortion or capital punishment or gun control or religion. What, and conservatives don't in turn insist that in order to be truly "awake", others are obligated to think as they do? There's not a right-wing rendition of "politically correct"?
Aren't the moral and political and religious objectivists here often fanatically "woke"? You think like they do or you are stupidly sound asleep to reality.

Woke and its correlated political correctness indeed can go too far and has done so. But look at what the right wing is, Christian fascism, white supremacists, the Kul Klux Klan all voting together, dumb, ignorant and violent do you really want to lean into this in forming a future? A hundred and thirty million Americans are functionally literate meaning they cannot read a medication bottle or read their child a bedtime story and what would you bet the bulk of this illiteracy isn't found throughout the bible belt? In a good part of America basic inhumanity followed the anti-intellectual call of the south, still fighting to install creationism into the science classrooms of America. How the fuck did America degenerate to this extent? If you do not want to be thought stupid, then don't vote Republican. The people of the world are frightened of Americans, partly for their misuse of power but increasingly because they are so, so fucking stupid, stupidity wheeling that kind of power makes one laugh, cry, or run-in fear. Get your act together America, the greater part of the world doesn't like you.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:52 am How the fuck did America degenerate to this extent?

I suspect that it began with the “no child left behind” attitude that was promoted by little Bush and his administration. That attitude was bolstered by participation awards for everyone.

Once it became possible to underachieve in school and yet continue to the next level of education, ignorance crept into American public schools. Along with ignorance came a weakening of critical thinking skills.

It should come as no surprise that the adults who had underachieved academically, on account of ignorance and poor analytical skills, were uniquely vulnerable to acceptance of conspiracy theories and distrust of established institutions like the news media and the government.

Through the years, more and more such quasi-idiots were produced by the public school system, resulting in a significant population of undereducated adults. Under these circumstances, the mind-boggling mileu of today festers and thrives.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:15 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 11:52 am How the fuck did America degenerate to this extent?

I suspect that it began with the “no child left behind” attitude that was promoted by little Bush and his administration. That attitude was bolstered by participation awards for everyone.

Once it became possible to underachieve in school and yet continue to the next level of education, ignorance crept into American public schools. Along with ignorance came a weakening of critical thinking skills.

It should come as no surprise that the adults who had underachieved academically, on account of ignorance and poor analytical skills, were uniquely vulnerable to acceptance of conspiracy theories and distrust of established institutions like the news media and the government.

Through the years, more and more such quasi-idiots were produced by the public school system, resulting in a significant population of undereducated adults. Under these circumstances, the mind-boggling mileu of today festers and thrives.

commonsense,

EXCELLENT! I am thinking to that Christianity has had a hand in dumbing down the population, they have always had an edge in that area. Today you have the Christofacists voting along with neo-Nazis, white supremacists and the Kul Klux Klan and it doesn't seem to trouble their Christian values. Where ever Christianity is strong as in the states you can count on the population being anti-intellectual. I mean really, why read all them hard books when there is really only one good book----lol!! Personally, I am looking forward to when the walls come tumbling down. The American empire has been a brutal master globally, the world's global crime family.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:29 pm Personally, I am looking forward to when the walls come tumbling down.

I think some things definitely need to change. However, "tumbling down" has a kind of destructive tone to it, so, as an American, I can't say I "look forward" to walls tumbling down. I just hope change brings peace and not more strife.

Jeremy Clarkson Translator:

"I hate Megan Markle on a cellular level"

Translation: I am a racist and do not like black women being associated with the Royal Family.

"I dream that, she (Megan Markle) should be paraded through the streets naked"

Translation: I'm not getting enough sex and want a slave woman.

"... and have shit thrown at her by the public"

Translation: And I am a coprophiliac.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:44 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 4:56 pm
The Left also hates dissenting opinions,

Of course dissenting opinions are not part of the Left’s dogma, just as dissenting opinions are not part of the Right’s.

Individualism, you say, encourages individual ideas. But those individual ideas, most homogenously, must oppose Pro-Choice, Gun Safety, governmental programs, governmental rules and regulations and taxes, to name a few. And no loyal Rightist can oppose the death penalty without being cast out.

Do not engage in gaslighting about the acceptance of dissenting or diverse thoughts. Do not complain of homogeneity without looking in a mirror first.

Actually the right is far better equipped to be single minded and reject diversity. That is the whole point.

Take the German Kinder, Küche, Kirche.
Or 1 man, 1 woman, 2.3 kids; man breadwinner, woman barefoot and pregnant stays at home, prepares the dinner and looks after the children.
NO abortion, gays, trans, etc..

Pretending the left and right are the same in this respect is just fake.
The left has always been more about freedom of association and ideas.

Translator to disingenuous wokie moron:
Jeremy Clarkson is a satirist.
Jeremy Clarkson was describing a scene in Game of Thrones.
Jeremy Clarkson couldn't give a rat's arse what 'colour' Meghan Markle is.
Meghan Markle is just an extremely dislikable person. Being a 'racist' is definitely not a prerequisite for disliking a nasty, hypocritical, attention-lusting, shallow, phony, narcissistic, wokie nightmare.
Sculptor hates the royal family and wants them brought down. He should just admit this and not make up rubbish like the coward he is. I don't like them either. Charles is going to do that without anyone else's help.
Meghan Markle is overjoyed with Clarkson. In fact she probably paid him to write that.

So now no one can criticise beige zillionaires whose sole income is dependent on crucifying their husband's family and leeching off his dead mother?
No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't find ANY footage of this woman being harrassed so they had to use old film of Diana

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:24 pm Translator to disingenuous wokie moron:
Jeremy Clarkson is a satirist.
Jeremy Clarkson was describing a scene in Game of Thrones.
Jeremy Clarkson couldn't give a rat's arse what 'colour' Meghan Markle is.
Meghan Markle is just an extremely dislikable person. Being a 'racist' is definitely not a prerequisite for disliking a nasty, hypocritical, attention-lusting, shallow, phony, narcissistic, wokie nightmare.
Sculptor hates the royal family and wants them brought down. He should just admit this and not make up rubbish like the coward he is. I don't like them either. Charles is going to do that without anyone else's help.
Meghan Markle is overjoyed with Clarkson, in fact she probably paid him to write that.

So now no one can criticise beige zillionaires whose sole income is dependent on destroying your husband's family and leeching off his dead mother?
No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't find ANY footage of this woman being harrassed so they had to use old film of Diana

Clarkson is a c u n t and so are you

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:33 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:24 pm Translator to disingenuous wokie moron:
Jeremy Clarkson is a satirist.
Jeremy Clarkson was describing a scene in Game of Thrones.
Jeremy Clarkson couldn't give a rat's arse what 'colour' Meghan Markle is.
Meghan Markle is just an extremely dislikable person. Being a 'racist' is definitely not a prerequisite for disliking a nasty, hypocritical, attention-lusting, shallow, phony, narcissistic, wokie nightmare.
Sculptor hates the royal family and wants them brought down. He should just admit this and not make up rubbish like the coward he is. I don't like them either. Charles is going to do that without anyone else's help.
Meghan Markle is overjoyed with Clarkson, in fact she probably paid him to write that.

So now no one can criticise beige zillionaires whose sole income is dependent on destroying your husband's family and leeching off his dead mother?
No matter how hard they tried, they couldn't find ANY footage of this woman being harrassed so they had to use old film of Diana

Clarkson is a c u n t and so are you

Brilliant wokie 'comeback'. I wouldn't expect anything 'less'

That wasn't by any stretch Clarkson's best work. He can be absolutely hilarious, and I doubt if he has any trouble getting 'laid'. Male jealousy is funny to behold, and I've noticed that men tend to be most threatened by men who make women laugh. Interesting...

Why do people keep insisting that the 'Markle debacle' is the first ''''''person of colour''''' in the royal family?
The Duke of Glouscester's daughter Davina married a Maori in 2004, and he's quite a lot darker than the Markle. They also never whined about any alleged 'mistreatment' from the royals.



It's only wokies who are obsessed with 'colour'. You wouldn't expect to find a lot of 'diversity' (ugh, I hate using that misused wokese jargon bullshit nothingism) in the English royal family, any more than you would expect to see it in the Nigerian or Japanese royal families.