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Experience is true to the biology experiencing the matter. If biology is dysfunctional in some way, the truth experience will be true to the dysfunctional biology for the truth to the individual is experience, while truth to the group is agreement.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:23 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:19 pm
"Personal truth" is just a relabelling of what used to be called (more accurately IMO) "personal reality". Which implied your personal reality could be separate from the truth.

If you replace the word "your," with the words "POTUS Biden's," you will have a cogent, relevant, specific and true example of the implication you mention. Everything he says is a lie, big and small, and this is well-documented. In his dotage it's a reflex, a tell if you will. A tell of the truth.

Ahh, there it is—Walker’s Biden obsession injected into a philosophical discussion.

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:13 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:23 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:19 pm
"Personal truth" is just a relabelling of what used to be called (more accurately IMO) "personal reality". Which implied your personal reality could be separate from the truth.

If you replace the word "your," with the words "POTUS Biden's," you will have a cogent, relevant, specific and true example of the implication you mention. Everything he says is a lie, big and small, and this is well-documented. In his dotage it's a reflex, a tell if you will. A tell of the truth.

Ahh, there it is—Walker’s Biden obsession injected into a philosophical discussion.

Well, when all you have is a hammer...

The phrase 'personal truth' is kinda ambiguous. I argue that unless u posit a substance that events and things happen to, like a 'self', nothing can happen to u or about u that is 'subjectively true'. Meaning, whatever was involved in your experience, is a true event for anyone regardless of them not having experienced any or it. Think about it. You'd have to posit a container of qualia that is separated from the objective world of facts, or else whatever is involved in experience would be a true event, true for anyone.

Joe experienced an earth quake. It is true for sally that joe experienced an earth quake.

So unless there is something contained in that experience that is true only for Joe, like a secret point of view that sees invisible stuff nobody else can see, then what about joe is really subjective in an epistemological and ontological sense?

When people say 'my truth', that's poetry. Kickorguard forgot my points when he conceived of his performative truth theory of subjectivity but he's essentially a cartesian thinker so.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 2:23 am Everything he says is a lie, big and small, and this is well-documented. In his dotage it's a reflex, a tell if you will. A tell of the truth.

...finally you see Trump for what he is. A super obnoxious demented old fart who has a vocabulary of barely 100 words that with every four minutes within his long-winded psychotic rambles there's at least a half-dozen documented lies already noted.

Good one! If I ever get fired from the site, I may return as DoobieDo vs. Immanuel Can't!

DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:58 pm its seems to be fashionable now to redefine personal knowledge as personal truth. turning what i know or have experienced isn't what you know or have experience in to "truth is relative". and converting that into if it isn't known, then its not true.

After reading 15 pages of opinions on truth, it occurs to me that no one has addressed the concept of integrity. If there is no personal truth, can integrity even exist? What about honesty or nobility?

Gee

The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of The Truth, such as a fact or a perspective. Bear in mind that people lie about the resolution and voracity of their perspective.

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:31 pm The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of The Truth, such as a fact or a perspective. Bear in mind that people lie about the resolution and voracity of their perspective.

"Continuously replicates"? So you are saying that Trump spouts the truth and integrity does not exist. No wonder we are in such trouble.

Gee

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The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of The Truth, such as a fact or a perspective. Bear in mind that people lie about the resolution and voracity of their perspective.
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"Continuously replicates"? So you are saying that Trump spouts the truth and integrity does not exist. No wonder we are in such trouble.

Gee
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Yes, that's exactly what i sayd.

You are free.

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:04 am

Gee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:20 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:31 pm The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of The Truth, such as a fact or a perspective. Bear in mind that people lie about the resolution and voracity of their perspective.

"Continuously replicates"? So you are saying that Trump spouts the truth and integrity does not exist. No wonder we are in such trouble.

Gee

Yes, that's exactly what i sayd.

I can see where you stated that "a truth is an instance of The Truth". It is not how I would present the information, but I can see your point. I still don't understand why you would state that the truth "continuously replicates". I believe truth to be subjective and seriously affected by time, so I am not sure exactly what would continuously replicate. People lie -- I certainly won't dispute that, but I don't see it's relevance.

I also think there is a difference between "a truth", "the truth", and personal truth that has not been addressed in this thread.

Gee

Gee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:23 am

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 1:04 am

Gee wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 4:20 pm

"Continuously replicates"? So you are saying that Trump spouts the truth and integrity does not exist. No wonder we are in such trouble.

Gee

Yes, that's exactly what i sayd.

I can see where you stated that "a truth is an instance of The Truth". It is not how I would present the information, but I can see your point. I still don't understand why you would state that the truth "continuously replicates". I believe truth to be subjective and seriously affected by time, so I am not sure exactly what would continuously replicate. People lie -- I certainly won't dispute that, but I don't see it's relevance.

I also think there is a difference between "a truth", "the truth", and personal truth that has not been addressed in this thread.

Gee

Advocate writes any old gibberish and passes it off as grand wisdom with the full belief that it is entirely genius because he has a very severe narcissistic personality disorder. It is so bad that he once convinced himself that he had "fixed" the No True Sctosman fallacy by demonstrating that if there can be an untrue Scotsman then logically a True Scotsman must exist. He doesn't think there is any reason why he ought to find out what the problem is before he "solves" it. He actively believes himself to be the greatest philosopher of all time, and he takes genuine offence that nobody thinks he has a strong claim.

You will never get a conversation worth having out of him unless your bag is to pick on the mentally disabled.

To me, 'personal truth' is just what some people agree and accept as true, but which may, or may not, be the actual Truth.

Whereas, the ('absolute', 'irrefutable', or 'actual') 'Truth' is just what every one agrees with and accepts. Also, known as 'objectivity' or 'objective Truth'.