Your pattern of response in red is similar to Eodnhoj7's. I presume you are not him?
SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:17 am
Here is the point to note;
- 1. DNA wise ALL humans are embedded with the potential to commit terrible evil and violent acts.
You see here I would argue that the concept of evil is ambiguous, that it has no necessary meaning, that it's seemingly subjective with no clear objective meaning, at least not from a universal standpoint. However I see that violence is a lot more clear. I would say that individuals fear death, and as such commit atrocities meant to quell that fear, instead dealing that which they themselves fear, thus becoming that which they fear. Thus we have the potential to harm others in the same way that we would choose not to be harmed, both physically and mentally.
I would also argue that it has absolutely nothing to do with DNA, and everything to do with ones environment again both physical and mental.
It is within the DNA-RNA in the human genome that expresses all the human traits with the IMPERATIVE 'kill or be killed response', the fight and flight response, the emotion of anger. This is the element of 'nature'.
Where else does these instincts came from if not the genes-DNA-RNA?
Your reason as due to environment [mixed and conflated] as itself is not valid.
The normally posited reasons for the motivation to commit evil acts is influenced and learned from the environment, i.e. nurtured.
Note there are cases of children as young as 2-3 killing their siblings out of instinctual jealousy. This cannot be due to the environment but merely an expression of natural inherent instincts.
In the animal world it is very common for the stronger siblings [very young ones] in a nest to kill the weaker ones which is an adaptive feature of evolution. There are cases of baby sharks eating their siblings in stomach of the pregnant shark.
Since humans are evolved from animals, humans are "programmed" with the same
potential of the above natural adaptive acts which we modern morally driven humans would termed as 'evil' and violent.
So my point [edited] stays;
1. DNA-RNA wise ALL humans are embedded with the
potential to act out certain adapted acts from evolution, where morally driven human termed them as terrible evil and violent acts.
The above is fundamentally driven by the impulse to survive or avoid death.
2. Conservatively [note], appx 20% of ALL humans are born with an active tendency from that potential to commit terrible evil and violence. These are the evil prone.
Again, not born but rather programmed, both physically and mentally.
It is coded and "programmed" via nature and encoded in the gene [DNA-RNA] and ALL humans are born with these 'programmes' with potential to commit terrible evil and violence.
3. Therefore there is a pool of 360 million evil prone Muslims around the world
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I argue that the group consists of many creeds, sexes, races, and colors. That it's either bad programming or physical/mental deformation at birth.
It is a natural percentage due to normal gradation in nature. Note the principles of the Bell Curve. If it is a deformation, then they are likely to be within the 1-2% of extreme cases, e.g. the psychopathic and the likes.
The OP is to focus on why the ideology of Islam is inherently evil and violent and act as a catalyst to trigger Muslims in 3 above who are violent prone to commit terrible evil and violent acts in the name of a God.
It's not Islam on the whole! As to those of Islamic heritage, It's those individuals that have bad programming for the reasons I've stated above.
It is not just 'bad programming.'
It is a combination of the following;
- 1. The natural 20% of evil prone Muslims, i.e. a pool of 300 million.
2. The main ethos of Islam, thus the WHOLE of Islam is inherent evil and violent. [evidence available].
Thus the solution above is to recognize Islam as a catalyst that triggered evil and violent in Muslims who are evil prone and get rid of that catalyst where possible.
If the catalyst-X [say] is removed, then there will be no more catalyst-X related evil and violence.
But catalyst-X is not what you speak of, rather it's bad programming, either physical or mental. And it exists in all races, colors and creeds.
As I had stated 'bad programming' is not the critical factor.
Let me give you a fictitious analogy;
Say there are 100 million Germans.
- 1. Therefore there are a natural 20% of 20 million of evil prone Germans.
2. Then the ideology of Nazism [Hitler and Main Kempf] is introduced and promoted to all Germans.
3. The result is the evil acts of the killing of 6 million Jews and other non-Germans deemed as inferior.
The catalyst in this case is Nazism which triggered the 20% or 20 million of evil prone Germans to commit the atrocities, evil and violent acts.
This is why the world has to suppress Nazism -the catalyst, but the 20% of evil prone German people are not punished.
It is the same with the ideology of Islam which has killed > 200 million non-Muslim since 1400 years ago.
The ideology of Islam is the catalyst, and Muslims are not be blamed.
Therefore if we are to resolve Islamic-driven atrocities, evil and violent acts, we need to get rid or suppressed the ideology of Islam like how we did with Nazism.
- The fact is, it is easier to remove the evil laden catalyst then to try to cure those 'SOME' 360 million of Muslims of their evil tendency which is DNA embedded.
Wrong, DNA has absolutely nothing to do with it, those guilty require reprogramming, and those yet to be guilty require truthful programming from unbiased honest sources without contextual errors.
As I had argued above, the genes-DNA-RNA are embedded [programmed] with the potential for all humans to commit atrocities, evil and violence.
It is impossible and not practical at the present to tweak the genes-DNA-RNA to eliminate the embedded evil potential.
Therefore it is more effective to remove the evil laden catalyst.
Note for example in the case of the censorship and banning of evil and violent elements in the media, movies, songs, books, cartoons, computer games, etc., why do the authorities prefer to censor and ban rather than rely on reprogramming the individuals.
This is because the authorities - backed by science or experience - know all human beings has the potential to be triggered by evil and violent elements in the various medias to commit real evil and violent acts.
- That is the main point of the OP.
OK, and I've just corrected your misconstrued causes.
I have countered your points which you have not dig deep enough.
If you want to address the problem of evil and violence on the whole of humanity basis, your links above are too narrow as confined to the Christians and US scientist, army, navy, etc.
Incorrect, you have either not studied them all or for enough time; or have not integrated them into a much larger understanding. It's about understanding humans, including yourself, so as to come to an understanding of humanity as a whole. You having this "Us and Them" ideology is exactly the same problem they have, which is why the problem is perpetuated. You have to see the problem as being all inclusive, that of the current human condition, with yourself in the mix.
Actually it is you who have not studied and dig deep enough into human nature and humanity.
I have traced the roots of all human evil and violent acts to the gene-DNA-RNA which is adapted via 3 billion years of evolution from one cell living things to the present homo-sapiens. I estimated 20% are naturally [not via programming] born with an active evil tendency.
The other root I have traced is to the catalysts that trigger, i.e. the evil and violent elements in an ideology, medias, etc.
I agree there is another root that is due to nurture, i.e. the person is programmed by his existing environment, social, cultural, political,
religious, etc. factors to commit evil and violent acts.
This must be addressed but it is not the most critical factors like above roots I highlighted.
This is secondary, but the primary factor is still the potential to commit evil and violence that is embedded in the gene-DNA-RNA from birth.
Even with this we still have to get rid of the environment, social, cultural, political,
religious triggers beside reprogramming the person to be morally driven.
The effective solution is you should look at 2 above at the root level.
No the effective solution is to understand my point, apply it to your understanding, and perpetuate it, as it only considers everyone and everything that it is, in being human.
Your point is too shallow.
Your reprogramming may alleviate to some degree but it is too superficial, i.e. it is the 'cure' not the 'prevention' strategy.
What I have proposed in the 'prevention is better than cure' strategy.
The direct solution to 2 is to tweak the DNA that caused the 20% of humans to be have the active potential to be evil. This is not possible at present or even in the near future.
Incorrect, as it has absolutely nothing to do with DNA. Epigenetics has proven to be that which cause DNA to mutate as Darwin would have it, which is entirely environmental. We are nothing more than chemistry, and you know what happens when you put the wrong chemical into a Erlenmeyer flask? A fire, explosion or the color of the solution changes. It all depends upon which environment we're reared. And of course don't forget the level of education, which is also environmental programming. And of course geographic and atmospheric relativity also play a part, but that's more than necessary for this particular topic.
It is the evolved human within the existing environment it is in, that enabled [programmed] the human gene [DNA-RNA] human has at present.
It is the gene [DNA-RNA] that is critical in this case.
This human gene [DNA-RNA] evolved from a 3 billion-years-environment.
There is no way we humans can change the current state of our gene-DNA-RNA [in terms of the potential to commit evil] by changing our environment, rearing, whatever within say 100 years. We could do so, perhaps after 1,000 years but definitely not within 50-100 years.
Therefore we have to recognize our existing unchangeable human gene [DNA-RNA] carry the potential for all humans to commit evil and violence.
The next alternative to turn of the neural algorithms that activate the evil potential in this 20% of evil prone humans.
You need to go back to school, as your understanding of the bigger picture is sorely lacking. Investigate those links further to understand a bit more of that bigger picture. Did you watch that movie?
I believe you should go back to school.
You have conflated the concept of the current-environment with the 3-billion-years-Environment that evolved our existing DNA-RNA.
This should be dealt in another OP.
Post as you see fit, but it won't make much difference until you see that we all play a part in this problem. This "Us and Them" philosophy is very short sighted to say the least. We are all culpable! Saying that it's just them, makes it so, nothing more and nothing less. If only in the minds that say so, and there you go! Perpetuation! Chickens running around with their heads cut off! Too selfish to see the truth of the matter!
How did I personally got involved in the "us versus them" impulse in this case?
It is the ideology of Islam that is banking on the 'us versus them' impulse and aligned that with its evil and violent commands to war against and kill non-Muslims [the them].
It is the ideology of Islam that trigger the DNA-RNA based active evil and violent impulse that compelled SOME Muslims to commit terrible evil and violent acts.
We cannot change the 3-billion-years-Environmental-based-DNA-RNA now.
Therefore the only feasible approach to resolve all Islamic-driven evil and violent is to get rid or suppressed the ideology of Islam, just like how we suppressed the ideology of Nazism.
I believe your opposition to my views is your misplaced empathy for the majority of Muslims who are peaceful people. This is due to your lack of understanding of your own human nature.
In this case I critiqued the ideology of Islam not condemning Muslims.
If humanity were to suppress or get rid of the ideology of Islam, the existing Muslims can resort to other alternative religious or spiritual practices to deal with their existential crisis.
It is more easier for humans to change their beliefs [religious] than to tweak their DNA-RNA [impossible and not practical].
] where we should not assign primary blame to individual or groups of Muslims.