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Harbal wrote:...
Attack? This is about defense. We're fighting for freedom of speech and thought here, Walker. You let this go and the next thing you know they'll be clamping down on your long baffling meanderings just in case there's something hiding in there that they don't approve of.

First they came for the Socialists, ...

Take heed, Walker, you can't afford to be complacent.

Although first they came for the disabled. But to be fair the US got there first.

Arising_uk wrote: I like it that social pressure has kept the racists, homophobes, et al quieter in the streets, pubs and clubs and I like it that my kids are more accepting of others differences than my generation were.

Yes, the extremists need keeping in check but ordinary people with legitimate concerns are also being bullied into silence.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:...
Of course it's fucking ironic. What the hell is wrong with you?

Not the way the right-wing spit it over here it isn't.

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:...
Of course it's fucking ironic. What the hell is wrong with you?

Not the way the right-wing spit it over here it isn't.

Just for once keep that big beak of yours shut and listen, you chicken headed Londoner.

Arising_uk wrote: Although first they came for the disabled. But to be fair the US got there first.

Make that, Progressives got there first.

Progs for short.

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:...
Of course it's fucking ironic. What the hell is wrong with you?

Not the way the right-wing spit it over here it isn't.

OMG. Why are you always blundering into my comments? You never take any notice of a single thing I write, and you just keep saying the same stupid things. Did I not just say that it's another term that will go the way of the dinosaur through mis-use? The expression itself isn't going to change meaning depending on who is using it. It will just lose it's meaning, like every other political term has.

Walker wrote: Make that, Progressives got there first.

Does it matter who came first or got there first? You're like Nero fiddling with himself while Rome burns down.

Harbal wrote:Yes, the extremists need keeping in check but ordinary people with legitimate concerns are also being bullied into silence.

No argument from me that the working-classes concerns have been ridden roughshod over by the political classes but honestly don't see it as 'the PC mob' but rather the politicians using the idea of politically correct speech for their own ends. If you mean all the twatterati and wastebook users then I have to admit I'm out of the loop about such stuff and if they have such power then it's high time we started to legislate them.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... The expression itself isn't going to change meaning depending on who is using it. It will just lose it's meaning, like every other political term has.

They don't lose meaning, you just mean you don't like what they mean now.

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... PC is an ironic term. ...

Not really, it was a term invented by the right-wing to deride the changes in behaviour they saw happening that they didn't like.

For anyone interested in the historical changes in meaning:
A Googly find: at 'English Language and Usage Stack Exchange'.

Harbal wrote:

Walker wrote: Make that, Progressives got there first.

Does it matter who came first or got there first? You're like Nero fiddling with himself while Rome burns down.

No, doesn't matter at all.

You're totally wrong about me.
- I'm not like Nero.
- I don't play the fiddle.
- I neither fiddle nor faddle around.

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... The expression itself isn't going to change meaning depending on who is using it. It will just lose it's meaning, like every other political term has.

They don't lose meaning, you just mean you don't like what they mean now.

Doesn't even make sense.

marjoram_blues wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... PC is an ironic term. ...

Not really, it was a term invented by the right-wing to deride the changes in behaviour they saw happening that they didn't like.

For anyone interested in the historical changes in meaning:
A Googly find: at 'English Language and Usage Stack Exchange'.

An American site. A bit like sending someone interested in evolution to 'Answers in Genesis'.

Walker wrote: - I'm not like Nero.

You could be is double for all we know, why should anyone start believing you now?

Harbal wrote:

Walker wrote: - I'm not like Nero.

You could be is double for all we know, why should anyone start believing you now?

Why should I start caring what you believe?
I can’t recall a serious dialogue with you.
When in Rome ...