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Arising_uk wrote: Caribbean, African, Irish, Jewish, et al have mixed pretty well so far.

Who are you trying to fool?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Pakistani rape gangs don't exist, and it's all a joyful 'melting pot of rainbowness'.

And uncomfortably close to where I live, unfortunately.

Harbal wrote:Who are you trying to fool?

All those groups have intermarried in this country.

And uncomfortably close to where I live, unfortunately.

How is Jimmy Savile?

Although those men up your way should have and hopefully will be arrested one day. But whilst we're on this matter where were the English parents of those girls?

Arising_uk wrote:Whilst no friend to the phrase "multiculturalism" as its a contradiction in terms and was introduced over here not by the PC but by those wishing to avoid confronting racism, sexism, et al in our society

This is interesting. Why do you think it's a contradiction in terms?

To me it felt like the liberal/left wingers wanted to redress the balance, and 'include' many who felt shoved aside after being invited here (talking about early African Carribean and Asian immigrants) and I've seen examples of positive discrimination that just knocked the wind out of my sails... but is the attempt to integrate ethnic minorities into every level of society, avoiding racism or trying to drown it out by creating a culturally mixed society, where racism will either recede or be stamped out as soon as it rears its ugly head? I'm not saying this rhetorically, I'm genuinely wondering.

We, in the U.K. seemed to be following the American model, where African Americans went from slavery to absolute integration into every level of society, even reaching the American presidency. It hasn't stamped out racism, though. Society there is more polarised than here, not that its entirely mixed here.

As a Londoner, I'm proud of the diversity I grew up in. Three years, in Exeter, where I went to university, a predominantly white area, where the main mixing of races to be seen was at uni, felt strange. 'Cultural diversity' felt minimal as, apart from the foreign students, the racial mix was British born. We were more aware of our British regionality than our different skin tones. University may not be representative of British society as a whole but it certainly felt different to London, where you see the divides, but people just bash on with it, until somehow it's integrated into what's deemed British. Like curry. It's a national dish!

Arising_uk wrote:Although those men up your way should have and hopefully will be arrested one day. But whilst we're on this matter where were the English parents of those girls?

It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

Arising_uk wrote: But whilst we're on this matter where were the English parents of those girls?

Neglected kids are fair game? Those people are scum. They thought they were fire proof and exploited it to the limit, all because nobody had the guts or decency to rock the fucking boat.

ForCruxSake wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:Although those men up your way should have and hopefully will be arrested one day. But whilst we're on this matter where were the English parents of those girls?

It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

The old 'not representative' 'argument'. Actually Pakistanis make up a very large percentage of Pakistani rape gangs apparently.
I wonder why Marseille is now one of the most dangerous cities in Europe. Must be a 'socio-economic' problem. I mean, poor people just can't help raping and murdering.

ForCruxSake wrote: It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

You stupid creature! It was part of their culture, their own females are out of bounds but who's going to care what they do to unwanted kids that are beyond the protection of the asian community. In fact, as it turned out, beyond the protection on anybody. Nobody is saying anything about the GPs and dentists. It's because of people with a mentality like yours that it was able to happen. Totally brainless.

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

You stupid creature! It was part of their culture, their own females are out of bounds but who's going to care what they do to unwanted kids that are beyond the protection of the asian community. In fact, as it turned out, beyond the protection on anybody. Nobody is saying anything about the GPs and dentists. It's because of people with a mentality like yours that it was able to happen. Totally brainless.

Then there are all those 'honour' killings. I suppose they are a 'socio-economic' problem too.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:Although those men up your way should have and hopefully will be arrested one day. But whilst we're on this matter where were the English parents of those girls?

It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

The old 'not representative' 'argument'. Actually Pakistanis make up a very large percentage of Pakistani rape gangs apparently.

I wasn't talking about rape gangs. You are, I was talking about regional identity and how it's spun by those with a racist agenda.

If you need clarification, ask, but please stop bending what people are saying out of shape so that they have to repeat what they have already said because you are either failing to understand or deliberately misintending what others say.

Can't believe I'm saying this... but perhaps it's better if you and I actually stop engaging with each other. You seem to want to fight and win. I actually want to discuss stuff without having to repeat everything I say.

ForCruxSake wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

The old 'not representative' 'argument'. Actually Pakistanis make up a very large percentage of Pakistani rape gangs apparently.

I wasn't talking about rape gangs. You are, I was talking about regional identity and how it's spun by those with a racist agenda.

If you need clarification, ask, but please stop bending what people are saying out of shape so that they have to repeat what they have already said because you are either failing to understand or deliberately misintending what others say.

Can't believe I'm saying this... but perhaps it's better if you and I actually stop engaging with each other. You seem to want to fight and win. I actually want to discuss stuff without having to repeat everything I say.

More irony. Are you really as clueless as you appear to be?

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

You stupid creature! It was part of their culture, their own females are out of bounds but who's going to care what they do to unwanted kids that are beyond the protection of the asian community. In fact, as it turned out, beyond the protection on anybody. Nobody is saying anything about the GPs and dentists. It's because of people with a mentality like yours that it was able to happen. Totally brainless.

No. The police's failure to act for fear of being branded racist was the problem. Not the race of the men. It shouldn't have been a race issue. It should have been a sexual predator issue, for all concerned. The race issue was jumped on by both sides: those fearing cries of racism and those capitalising on it. And here you are adding to the problem, you racist troll. It's people like me that get called on to represent those involved, you dolt.

ForCruxSake wrote: I was talking about regional identity and how it's spun by those with a racist agenda.

I have no idea what it's like where you live but I don't have to travel far in any direction to see areas that have had their "regional identity" completely obliterated by immigration. How can it not cause resentment?

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: I was talking about regional identity and how it's spun by those with a racist agenda.

I have no idea what it's like where you live but I don't have to travel far in any direction to see areas that have had their "regional identity" completely obliterated by immigration. How can it not cause resentment?

Apparently you and I don't have a cultural identity so it doesn't matter.

ForCruxSake wrote:

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: It's funny the way that, for the narrow minded rascist and the BNP spin doctors, a small number of 'Northern' Pakistani men who groom young girls for sex, become representative of all that is wrong about 'Northern' Pakistani men. Why are the Northern Pakistani health workers: GPs, surgeons, dentists etc, not more representative of that regional identity? There's more of them.

You stupid creature! It was part of their culture, their own females are out of bounds but who's going to care what they do to unwanted kids that are beyond the protection of the asian community. In fact, as it turned out, beyond the protection on anybody. Nobody is saying anything about the GPs and dentists. It's because of people with a mentality like yours that it was able to happen. Totally brainless.

No. The police's failure to act for fear of being branded racist was the problem. Not the race of the men. It shouldn't have been a race issue. It should have been a sexual predator issue, for all concerned. The race issue was jumped on by both sides: those fearing cries of racism and those capitalising on it. And here you are adding to the problem, you racist troll. It's people like me that get called on to represent those involved, you dolt.

Interesting.

Harbal wrote:

ForCruxSake wrote: I was talking about regional identity and how it's spun by those with a racist agenda.

I have no idea what it's like where you live but I don't have to travel far in any direction to see areas that have had their "regional identity" completely obliterated by immigration. How can it not cause resentment?

And curry's a well loved national dish. Find a way to live with it.

We did down south, although we lived through more race riots than the rest of the country. We're well mixed. No one's complaining about obliterated cultures down here. Perhaps the economics and opportunities down here are better and there's more to smile about... But not much more. We just strive to get along and defend our neighbours. We hate haters.