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chaz wyman wrote:

mtmynd1 wrote:

reasonvemotion wrote:Truth? There is no truth, we are our own soothsayers. We create comfort zones to appease our fears.

Truth is the Absolute which is unattainable for the most common of us.

That implies that it is attainable for someone - care to say who?

Me

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chaz wyman wrote:I would agree that your statement is the statement of an ass.

Brilliant! Kudos to you, atheist! Without any 'god' there wouldn't be any atheists or agnostics for you/they rely upon a concept of god so meaningless as to to uphold your/their weak arguments for the existence of a 'no-god', the pure opposition of 'a god'... your own being a prime example... if one is unable to "prove the existence of god" one should be able "prove the existence of no-god".

reasonvemotion wrote:

Truth is the Absolute

I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you explain further please.

Truth is the culmination of all that is, was and shall be which is the Absolute of all there can possibly be.

reasonvemotion wrote:

Truth is the Absolute

I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you explain further please.

If your searching for truth try equal, it is absolute.

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mtmynd1 wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:I would agree that your statement is the statement of an ass.

Brilliant! Kudos to you, atheist! Without any 'god' there wouldn't be any atheists or agnostics for you/they rely upon a concept of god so meaningless as to to uphold your/their weak arguments for the existence of a 'no-god', the pure opposition of 'a god'... your own being a prime example... if one is unable to "prove the existence of god" one should be able "prove the existence of no-god".

No its true there would be no atheists if the idea of god did not persist in the minds of idiots.
There is no existence of a non-god, so i have nothing to prove.
What do you mean "god"?

mtmynd1 wrote:

reasonvemotion wrote:

Truth is the Absolute

I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you explain further please.

Truth is the culmination of all that is, was and shall be which is the Absolute of all there can possibly be.

And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it?
Believe that, too!

Truth is the culmination of all that is, was and shall be which is the Absolute of all there can possibly be.

It cannot be so, if one considers relative truths. Can it?

reasonvemotion wrote:

Truth is the culmination of all that is, was and shall be which is the Absolute of all there can possibly be.

It cannot be so, if one considers relative truths. Can it?

Then relative truth only applies to the situation, absolute truth would apply to all situations.

As to the original question, I apologize for not reading the thread, but I would say it is because most people do not see what is in front of them, only what they expect to see. Till you can preceive reality as it is, you will never preceive the truth of any kind.

reasonvemotion wrote:
It cannot be so, if one considers relative truths. Can it?

The best our language can provide is using 'truth' with a small 't' and Truth using the capital 'T'. When using the 'small 't' we generally use it to identify more so the facts as we see/know them.

The 'capital T' Truth is the area of metaphysics that Aristotle (and many others) spoke of. When we enter metaphysics we should not drag along our emotional and intellectual baggage that we have all been indoctrinated by not because these things are not worthy and useful in our mundane existence. Metaphysics must rely upon a degree of honesty within the seeker of Truth that does not allow for anything other than Truth to prevail over opinions and even certain worldly facts that are based upon our own 5 senses... our hu'man-ness that is driven by ego.

The initial path of this Metaphysical Journey uses the obvious tools given us by our nature, the questions of who, what, why, where and when until each one of those questions have been answered in full, leaving no doubt or any other question hanging like a bad fruit on a tree. Once all the questions have been answered, thus ends the quest and contentedness begins.

Which Truth is The True?

"Truth is so abstract that philosopher Nietzsche said “truth is a lie” (Magee) that the essence of the meaning of truth is a big lie; he said that we give the meaning of truth to something. Otherwise, Kant said that truth exists, that it is there and we just need to find it. However, each mind is a different world. So, the truth is relative to each person."

mtmynd1 wrote:

reasonvemotion wrote:
It cannot be so, if one considers relative truths. Can it?

The best our language can provide is using 'truth' with a small 't' and Truth using the capital 'T'. When using the 'small 't' we generally use it to identify more so the facts as we see/know them.

The 'capital T' Truth is the area of metaphysics that Aristotle (and many others) spoke of. .

What arrogance you have.
... and based on so little

reasonvemotion wrote:Which Truth is The True?

"Truth is so abstract that philosopher Nietzsche said “truth is a lie” (Magee) that the essence of the meaning of truth is a big lie; he said that we give the meaning of truth to something. Otherwise, Kant said that truth exists, that it is there and we just need to find it. However, each mind is a different world. So, the truth is relative to each person."

Truth that is not absolute is no truth at all.

chaz wyman wrote: ... and based on so little

Atheism is for the unimaginative desperately preaching for others to embrace their otherwise weak arguments for a failed individualism.

mtmynd1 wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: ... and based on so little

Atheism is for the unimaginative desperately preaching for others to embrace their otherwise weak arguments for a failed individualism.

An atheist has nothing to prove, has no creed, and no belief system.

What is a god anyway?

chaz wyman wrote: What is a god anyway?

Herein lies your entire problem, c.w.... asking this question shows how totally clueless you truly are - unimaginative, one of the great failures of any individual to embrace.

Allow me to reverse this all too common question and ask you when you hear that word, "god" what comes to your own mind that brings you the distrust that is inherent in your own belief system? Do you see a man with a great white beard sitting on a golden throne high up in the heavens with obedient followers sitting about in a paradisaical environment free from the chains of your own doubts, confusions, misunderstandings...? maybe simply a generic male that pulls the strings on life as we know it and enjoys keeping our lives subservient to 'his' will..? Share with me what you yourself imagine any 'god' is that brings such a bitter taste to your thinking... perhaps an event or events in your life's early religious teachings and preachings that have led you to reject anything that smells or tastes of this 'god crap' that you've adopted the simple man's view to completely dismiss anything that suggests 'god' despite our own shared hu'manity's history of having some powerful inner belief in something much larger than ourselves.

Don't be a lily flapping in the winds of ignorance trying to desperately convince yourself that everyone's own belief in some 'god' is pure idiocy that no true thinking mind would ever embrace. I want to hear what the true 'chaz wyman' really 'sees' in your mind's eye when that all too powerful three letter word g-o-d is mentioned. Are you capable of putting that into words for me to read? Try it... I promise I won't laugh or belittle you in any way...