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Whenever a contradiction occurs in things apparently the same are really not the same, but different.


For example the same thing to be at rest and in motion at the same time in the same moment. This concept is hardest to grasp, simply because it is ideal, but at the same time active real existence, it is the intermediate being transparent.
light identifies things, no thing is opposed to it.
Whereas matter has inner character, physical material being.
We do not see anything only through sunlight reality begins. Sunlight affirms everything as identical, or maybe not identical but for another, illuminates, affirms opposition Whereas matter has inner character, physical material being.


Matter is immediate existence without complication, is pure finite quantitative body or mass, which holds together two opposed moments in one. Matter is the reciprocally regulated rule of two in one determination, only passes from one state to the other, meaning, matter does not automatically pass over into motion or motion does not automatically pass over into matter, only transported by another and only through external gravity is affirmed sensuous existence.

Sunlight is the act of seeing, we do not see anything only through sunlight, that is when reality begins. If darkening falls it yields to a gray if brightness then we have color, a qualitative difference, whereas darkening is a quantitative difference.

Darkness and lightness is a mutual relationship, if we look at a black object through a delicate white woven cotton cloth what is produced is gray. Look at the night sky clearly it is black if there were no atmosphere the sky we would see a black sky. But atmosphere full of vapors is the obscuring medium, so the sky looks colored blue. On mountains where the air is purer the sky is black.

I am impressed in the amount of faith you have in your ability for coming upon reality.
Is it the same reality that I am a part of?
I understand your imagery -- it is a very nice picture -- but I am not sure it really gives us much to go on besides a metaphysical picture of reality and a reflection of a faith.

What are you talking about?

Your telling me th\is is not physics. Physics starts with the sun you tell me where I am wrong?

Metaphysics me,ans before physics therefore space and time, matter and motion , gravity and universal gravitation are considered metaphysical; not material.

Physics began with sun everything occurs under the sun. Loadstone is not magnetized in the mine, it is only after it is brought out of the mine it becomes magnetized;. It seems the stimulus of sunlight in the atmosphere its magnetism is revealed. If earth were smooth surface, the relationship of sunlight and earth would be nothing there would be nothing but a mere gleam or only shining image of something other.

How does color enter intomaterial substance, how does color from outside join together to become pigmentation? Metal is the answer. The principle of all coloring of things, the liberation of singular being-for-self. The idea that every metal in its pure state has a particular color, gold is congealed color and iron is loadstone color, can be represented as a metal pigmentation, even vegetables with their indigo coloring, the redness of blood can be traced to iron.

Grasp reality and you will have no problem knowing what is great and what is small comes when there is plurality then thought begins to arouse and wants to arrive at truth.

Philosophy is seldom accounted with knowledge yet the English call all physical instruments, such as the barometer and thermometer philosophical instruments.

Philosophy has to be looked upon at the proper development beyond the sensuous world the hypothetical mere assumption, and doubt, and instead of going upward knowing descends to perception. Deliver me from mere opinion, this easy line of communications.

Socrates believed every one had better be ruled by divine knowledge dwelling within self in order that we may be all, as far as possible, under the same society friends and equals.

We animal creatures our center is within self, therefore we offer resistance to outside world in particular ways: because we have the power within of binding together our feelings together as in a bouquet, in face of the outside.

Our own private self which understands how to return to itself, is the barren ego that is a satisfaction which must be left only to self. For self flees the world and seeks only isolation in self and only accounts for its own thinking is best when mind is gathered into self and none of worldly things trouble it, neither sound , sight, or feelings.

Zeno's law presents self the unchanging self-identity self-moving, never leaving self never ceases to move is eternal remaining the same.
He argued, that if something moves from one point to another, it must first traverse must pass through an infinite number of points.

His example is the race with the tortoise that has a head start, and the swifter-running Achilles who can never overtake the tortoise. everytime the tortoise will have got a little way, and so on ad infinitum.

The spirit of a philosophy is arithmetic it has the power to rise mind out of the sea of change, all the arts and sciences and intelligences use arithmetic , because every one first has to learn a little matter of distinguishing one, two, and three, or in a word, numbers.

Knowledge is lodged in the philosopher’s heart which is not so far from happiness. To labor anything into something is the chain from which cannot be swayed away.Those who are curious to learn and never satisfied may be justly called lovers of knowledge.

Philosophy must be learned as any other knowledge, chases out ignorance, all opinion driven out and fill with knowledge.

In the same case of runner who runs well from the starting-place to the end, but not back from the end: they go back creeping away. The true runner comes to the finish line receives the prize, and is crowned.


 

 

Thales and Pythagoras 600 B.C; the spirit of Greece were profound thinkers exalted in knowledge and truth, justice, courage, and temperance. Thales was one of the seven wise men of ancient Greek philosophy and introduced geometry to measure the pyramids and the distance from shore of ships at sea. It is believed he used calculus to estimate the sea; Water Thales thought water the supreme sustainer of life.  

Earth is bound up with the process of the Elements, or example, the galvanic process the electrical and magnetic fields, each in the own way are bound up with earth. Each are only subjective forms of Elements. Such as, water is a condition or product, whereas fire, is cause or effect. Acid is not what alkali is or vice versa, but each side is in itself; is the moment activated the thirst of the alkali for the acid and the thirst of the acid for alkal,i they seize hold of each other. Each is itself the other, a contradiction of self. Thus begins chemical process, this contradiction bring an analog of life.

Mind is very closely united to nature, so to speak interacts with nature. Feeling is nothing but the process of self-preservation . In self defense or in the face of pressure from the outside impact we sound our own accord announce our individuality.

The crystal of feeling is the physical body, thus, the skull is the center of feeling but when feeling angry seems to go to war with passion as though they were two distinct feelings.

Suppose you have been done wrong to someone the nobler person you are would feel less indignant at any suffering which you injured person may inflict upon you, the infliction is deemed to be just,.

But if your the sufferer of wrong, boil and chafe on the side of justice and because your suffering only makes you the more determined and only in the end when the voice of the shepherd, which is reason bids you silence.

When we consider the possibility for what is real, we have to first look at how we know what is real. If everything I know is medaited by my physical body, including thoughts and emotions, through me senses and processed by my brain for thought, then we have found the first bastion of what is determining reality for me. By this statement, I have found that I am an object among objects of the universe; my idea of subject-hood is bound by my being an object. I have determined that reality is known to me by my physical body, and thereby, I look to the objects of the universe to gain an idea of what I am. I take in objects an consolidate meaning in reality as it has been given me by the objects of authoruty around me. This consolidation I then figure is me. I avoid the basic premise that I am merely an object, I deny the primacy I have granted upon 'other', objects, and come to an idea of 'myself' as if I am a basic feature. This allows me to grant primacy to my experience and situate meaning around a central core that I call 'my self'. This type of reality, one that is based upon the object, is what brings some authors to conclude an analysis of the Subject with a void, where the Subject is a 'nil' space is 'the middle' of a conflation of objects. An analysis that leads to the void of the Subject that is not there, an emptiness that has no substance. The meaning of the Subject, of the 'I', in this type of reality, is a conflagoration of meanings of objects. Thus, the Self becomes an identity (as in 'same as') with objects and justifies itself by its own personal arrangement of object-meaning, truth-value, in an apparent communication with other objects for the purpose of justifying itself in reality. Such an arrangement of objects of meaning can be called a metaphysics, a mythology, where the subject attempts to justify itself in reality through a positing of situated meaning in argument.


This type of situating of reality described above, where the object of reality is primal and has priority for defining truth, I call the 'Materialist faith', since all reality is mediated by material truth in such a way so that it is very difficult to explain away -- the definition of faith is: "that which supplies truth-value".

The usual recourse for individuals caught in this type of faith is to call upon some sort of 'essential communion' (for lack of a better term) where some essential force or entity has supplied them with the basis of truth in reality. Such 'exteriorization' of the basic limitation allows the individual a 'comfortable denial' where s/he can have 'freedom'. or 'free will' within the limiting scheme of meaning (the meaning of the conventional Object).

Given that you are seemingly educated in the sciences and aspects of the community of meaning of objects (convention), you have asserted your Self in an attempt to justify your position in reality as a subject-object. You have taken such meaning of the object universe and situated it for arguement. In that i may be likewise involved with this object reality (this materialist faith) I can assert my orientation of meaning against yours, and argue my position. While this may have some ethical value in attempting to coerce others to bahave in a particular way accorded to my version of what is right (truth-value; that which has a value and a truth, and together advocate an ethics), it amounts to a game of wit and control.

The game -- because it takes place within an arena of faith, a reality gained by an assumption of authoritative objects, where the perceived authority is challenged by my authority that takes as its truth the former authority itself (as my truth is found through meanings of objects) -- as subjects are also objects: subject-objects (my subjectivity is gained from my faith in the substantiability of objects (which ironically justifies subjectivity )) -- is effectively a religious game.

'Religion' is defined by qualities: it is concerned with origins (essential history); it advocates an absolute and inviolate truth (essential reality); these two components often conspire to assert and promote a 'creator' that is usually identified as God, or some supernatural or spiritual enitity (the essential Object); these three components work to justify activity in the world and establish an arena that is called reality that is enforced by paricular types of power and violence (the essential ethics). The individual is always subsumed in the religious scheme as the belief functions to serve the identity of the Subject.

In the concern for origins, religions often extrapolate correspondant meaning and advocate a 'novel' future. Such novelity appears in three, typical forms: a 'progressed future' or an idea that actions today are somehow working to bring about a 'better' or 'more evolved' future form of the world; a heaven; reincarnation. All such ideas stem from an assertion of particular ethics, but are not exclusive to particular forms of belief. Each of these ideas of possible futures have been found unsound. Athropology, in its Post-Colonial analysis has argued that the idea of 'progress' is culturally biased and not based in any 'real' sense of progress external to the colonizing power. There is no real 'primitive' nor 'civilized'; these are culturally informed ideas based in a particular ethics of power and control. Heaven and reincarnation are obviously faith based metaphysical ideas.

---Now, I would point out that your picture of reality is equivellent to mine in stature. If we were so inclined, we could reduce meaningful components of your description and mine to similar structures of presentation.

The signifiance of argument is not found in the situating of various compoments of meaning in the stable religious arena.
The significance of argument is found in the possibility of avoiding an ethics of power.

In as much as I may say your picture is 'metephysical' or 'mythological' and you might be offended or roused to provide a defence of your picture of reality which to you (probably) seems so obvious, so much have you promoted yourself in the exclusionary scheme of the object, as an adherent of the materialist faith. You have promoted yourself in an arena where you exclude youself from your possible audience. You inherently and automatically address an Object (the audience) as a mutual Object (your Self), as objects are defined as subjects in an ethical scheme of justification of activity.

Whew! Thank you for your interaction. This is how learning takes place -- or how communication begins to allow for an experience of learning.

lancek4,

I have read your post a couple of time and enjoyed very much. your way of thinking

What do you propose ?

BB

Feeling I can never be assure of anything if knowledge does not intervene. Careful thought comes truth and with it compassion this is most good.