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Socrates believed awise person speaks with authority when it is its own life.

Belief consists in the two forms self-consciousness and world spirit together constitutes the whole universal determination of self.

All aspects of existence begins with belief it pervades and permeates self. The Hindus believe self if it could maintain itself in pure sameness would pass into transparency. Unfortunately, self exists as consciousness.

Right now or when you get a chance begin turn yourself around and around in a cirlcle keep your eyes open and watch everything change but what doesn't changed?

It is self.

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noen wrote: Further, I mean it in all sincerity that I hope you get help for your mental illness.

So, in all your sincerity, you think dropping out of nowhere in to the middle of a thread someone has put months of work in to, and telling a total stranger that they are nuts is the best way to help them get treatment???

Sorry, what a complete load of crap.

But what the hell, I'm up for it. Based on the same lack of information and expertise you used in your analysis, I have concluded that in my expert opinion you are the one who is nuts, if you think we're going to buy your sincerity.

What Barbara said.

Yes I concur. Some people cannot hear other tones. They revolt at other notes. They don't see there is a symphony playing. They only want to hear one type of chord change. Don't fret barb.

lancek4,

Thank you for your very astute observations and much needed support.

We need to give honor to philosophy, especially Socrates, only then will true students of philosophy want to come, and there would be continuous and earnest search, and discoveries.

Philosophy emerges into light even as disregarded maimed of its fair proportion and even though no one can tell the use of it only its natural charm.

Society fair or honorable, has been driven into believing that nothing is honorable any more than dishonorable. So all the ideals which we most valued, the keepers of the law have been converted into a breaker of laws today.

I am seeking truth not aiming like an arguer who winning is the goal rather than at reaching the truth they contradict for the sake of amusement diminishing the status of anyone in their way.

BB

BB- I am curious, since you mention Socrates. Have you read Kierkegaard "the concept of irony"?

Noen - not to make generalizations nor imply anything deurrogatory but - do you get high a lot? I mean intoxicated? Often such states actually limit us though we feel so enlightened. Or are you just depressed and oppressed? And repressed?

I have only read one book by Kierkegaard and I cannot remember the name. What is it about?

The time is only change of motion, the arrow does not leave its place is precisely is endless meaning Zeno of Elea that motion has three different places, that which is about to be occupied, that which has just been vacated and throughout all these changes remains the same.The very hypothesis of Zeno's paradoxes of multiplicity and motion, one should inquire not only what will be the consequences to the many in relation to themselves and to the one, and to the one in relation to itself and the many, on the hypothesis of the being of the many, but also what will be the consequences to the one and the many in their relation to themselves and to each other.

Many think time is a predicate, but time is now, before and after motion, a circle of unity, we proceed to a place which is future and leave one which is past,at the same time present inseparably held together in perfect unity the essential moments of matter and motion.

Johannes Kepler discovered the rule of motion built from observations of Tycho Brahe, hypotheses of Nicolaus Copernicus and philosophy of William Gilbert. He divided the rule into three parts, 1. Cometary and Sunspots, 2. Lunary motion, and 3. Planetary rule. These celestial bodies divided into two rules; elliptic path is circular but not exactly correspond to circular. whereas lunary does not have an axis of its own, no in and for-itself. It is rest, that is the axial, rotates around the one and other thus it has a relative center.

Lunary sphere is only a satellite rigid whereas cometary motion is a eccentric motion governed by Sun. absolute one whereas lunary is rest and inertia. The planetary rule is related to both the cometary and the lunary spheres. Planets rotate around its axis and also has its center outside it.

Therefore, earth is dependent on both cometary and lunary laws and expresses them as an alteration of place. Planet is the syllogism which presents us with the whole, is the totality the unity of cometary and lunary spheres, exhibits these moments in their separation. Planet ground and universe, everything is in this totality of motion. The alteration of the seasons and of the day and night and the transition from waking and sleeping is life on the Earth.

Barbara Brooks wrote:I have only read one book by Kierkegaard and I cannot remember the name. What is it about?

"the concept of Irony: with continual reference to Socrates" by Soren Kierkegaard.

I was not too impressed with Soren Kierkegaard only read one book, whereas I have read, for instance, Plato's The Republic over fifty times.

The universe is an ordered and harmonious unit, partly free and partly conditional.

See how sunspots are translucent orbit around the sun whirling around the sun to the point of separating into different directions to avoid its unity. And Earth’s waterless moon, how it strives as it were one with the sea so quenched of thirst causes the ebb and flow of the tides;

Look how the sea rises escapes to the moon and the moon snatches it away to itself. Earth is not life but has the possibility of life erupts as fructify into vitality at every point of land, lichens, infusoria and in the sea as countless host of phosphorescent life.

Earth has Elements that overcome earth rigidity unfolds vitality that perpetually generates earth volatilize into an atmospheric process, resolving water and earth into odors.

Barbara Brooks wrote:I was not too impressed with Soren Kierkegaard only read one book, whereas I have read, for instance, Plato's The Republic over fifty times.

that is interesting because what you say seems to ressonate with him.
What we find when we understand Kierkegaard, and the concept as well as the phenomenon of irony, is an explanation of the likes of Plato. There is a theme of the likes of the ironist, that Plato portrays with Socrates. This theme, when one sees and understands the nature of irony, tends toward essentialism (but sees beyond it) and significant critique of the World and its doings, and ends up proposing a 'end-all be-all' scenario,often in the form of a utopia. The propositions on utopias we have much to gain from, but are characteristically unrealistic. Hiedegger was such this type. Nietzche. Probably Lacan.. Each in their own capacity.

Thats ok if you are not interested.
I see a reason K is often set aside, and even then misunderstood by those who do look into him, is that he dmands a type of experience in life that most are either unwilling or incapable of understanding -- being that everyone wants to understand things, most are unwilling to give up what they know. It is the greatest fear, and what stands in the way of such 'enlightened' arguments and their realization.

What have you read of K?

Barbara Brooks wrote:The universe is an ordered and harmonious unit, partly free and partly conditional.

See how sunspots are translucent orbit around the sun whirling around the sun to the point of separating into different directions to avoid its unity. And Earth’s waterless moon, how it strives as it were one with the sea so quenched of thirst causes the ebb and flow of the tides;

Look how the sea rises escapes to the moon and the moon snatches it away to itself. Earth is not life but has the possibility of life erupts as fructify into vitality at every point of land, lichens, infusoria and in the sea as countless host of phosphorescent life.

Earth has Elements that overcome earth rigidity unfolds vitality that perpetually generates earth volatilize into an atmospheric process, resolving water and earth into odors.

what a spiritual and metaphysical image.

The unfolding of things is what makes time, The only standpoint is present distinct from past and future. present is eternal, will not come to be, nor was but it is having no beginning nor end.

What is the whole course of time and what is only the moment in the course of time. Space the vital principles of life transcends is not dragged into time. Therefore, space and time are a contradiction of unity. One is universal totality, and the other is point of duration. A contradiction of each in themselves one indifferent singularity and other only points to a place, . Space and time are purely differences of the same moment equally in themselves, indifferent one, and the self-regeneration .