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Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:26 am**

iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:25 pm Excusing God
Raymond Tallis highlights the problem of evil.

The Bible tells us that God himself passed judgement on his creation. According to Genesis 1:31, he “saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” Marking his own homework, he concluded that it was perfect.

If such is the case, then who could deny the fact that at least one person -- Donito Trumpolini -- has been created in God's image?

("...And on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th days he rested [played golf] and saw that all that he had made in his diaper was good, was very good...")
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Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:27 am**

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:43 pm Immanuel is the “teacher” who never learns. He is the “talker” who never listens.

Yes. And considering the following...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 4:49 pm
From Google AI
The minute somebody does this, Alexiev, you know they've outsourced their brain.

...he is also the "accuser" who does not recognize the person in the mirror he is pointing at.

Indeed, he is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.

I mean, can there possibly exist a purer example of projection than in IC accusing others of "...outsourcing their brain..." while in the next breath he offers up the following...

IC wrote:"...For Scripture says, “all have sinned,” (Rm. 3:32)..."

...?

And when asked how it is that "...all have sinned..." (especially an infant)?, he will evoke the jealousy of the bendiest pretzel as he twists and contorts all notions of credulity and common sense by insisting it's because the book to which he himself has outsourced his own brain to - "says so."

Now I'm not suggesting that there aren't some profound truths cleverly hidden in the Bible, for I myself reference the Bible in my own theory.

No, it's just that having nothing better to do at the moment, I am not going to sit back and let IC get away with condescendingly accusing others of what he himself is brazenly guilty of doing.
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Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:47 am**

seeds wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:24 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:13 pm The Koran is a recipe book for creating psychopaths, with very explicit instructions to kill the unbelievers.
It's not just the Koran.

The instructions might not be explicit, but it seems there's something in America's educational system, or drinking water, or something else that creates murderous psychopaths that manage to rise to the highest echelons of American politics where they can get away with all sorts of dastardly deeds,...

...including the wanton slaughter of innocent men, women, and children in unprovoked wars, and the condoning and supporting of genocide.
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I think that the belief that God exists and is good is a very useful heuristic device for helping to stop wars and injustice.
Capitalism and the profit motive taken to excess is more likely to be a main cause of crime and bad mental health than is belief in a good God.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:53 am**

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:04 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:13 pm The Koran is a recipe book for creating psychopaths, with very explicit instructions to kill the unbelievers.
As a matter of fact Jihad is firstly for making oneself a better person , and violence if undertaken as lesser jihad is tightly bound to ethical terms and conditions, and is never a personal decision.

So, you're telling me they produce mindless automatons serving a seventh-century military ideology, so much better than psychopaths-- lol!!

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:56 am**

seeds wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:24 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:13 pm The Koran is a recipe book for creating psychopaths, with very explicit instructions to kill the unbelievers.
It's not just the Koran.

The instructions might not be explicit, but it seems there's something in America's educational system, or drinking water, or something else that creates murderous psychopaths that manage to rise to the highest echelons of American politics where they can get away with all sorts of dastardly deeds,...

...including the wanton slaughter of innocent men, women, and children in unprovoked wars, and the condoning and supporting of genocide.

I couldn't agree more!

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 1:01 am**

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:47 am
seeds wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:24 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:13 pm The Koran is a recipe book for creating psychopaths, with very explicit instructions to kill the unbelievers.
It's not just the Koran.

The instructions might not be explicit, but it seems there's something in America's educational system, or drinking water, or something else that creates murderous psychopaths that manage to rise to the highest echelons of American politics where they can get away with all sorts of dastardly deeds,...

...including the wanton slaughter of innocent men, women, and children in unprovoked wars, and the condoning and supporting of genocide.
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I think that the belief that God exists and is good is a very useful heuristic device for helping to stop wars and injustice.
Capitalism and the profit motive taken to excess is more likely to be a main cause of crime and bad mental health than is belief in a good God.

That is a self-inflicted lobotomy with programming from three thousand years ago still addressing the same population of three thousand years ago; it is not helpful.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 1:11 am**

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 1:01 am
Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:47 am
seeds wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:24 am
It's not just the Koran.

The instructions might not be explicit, but it seems there's something in America's educational system, or drinking water, or something else that creates murderous psychopaths that manage to rise to the highest echelons of American politics where they can get away with all sorts of dastardly deeds,...

...including the wanton slaughter of innocent men, women, and children in unprovoked wars, and the condoning and supporting of genocide.
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I think that the belief that God exists and is good is a very useful heuristic device for helping to stop wars and injustice.
Capitalism and the profit motive taken to excess is more likely to be a main cause of crime and bad mental health than is belief in a good God.
That is a self-inflicted lobotomy with programming from three thousand years ago still addressing the same population of three thousand years ago; it is not helpful. Belinda, do you believe there is such a thing as religious insanity? That is what I infer, the Koran is an outstanding example of, but they are all degrees of popular insanity. Christianity itself is soaked in the blood of innocence.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 9:21 am**

“You can’t evaluate a religion on the basis of some ethical criteria that in the end amounts to your own religious stance” (Keller 12.) "When a Russian cosmonaut returned from space and reported that he had not found God, CS Lewis responded that this was like Hamlet going into the attic of his castle looking for Shakespeare" (Keller 122.)
For the answers, read the book. It will enlighten your opinions.
Keller, Timothy, (2008,) The Reason for God, Belief In An Age of Skepticism, Penguin Group (USA) Inc.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:03 am**

puto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 9:21 am “You can’t evaluate a religion on the basis of some ethical criteria that in the end amounts to your own religious stance” (Keller 12.) "When a Russian cosmonaut returned from space and reported that he had not found God, CS Lewis responded that this was like Hamlet going into the attic of his castle looking for Shakespeare" (Keller 122.)
For the answers, read the book. It will enlighten your opinions.
Keller, Timothy, (2008,) The Reason for God, Belief In An Age of Skepticism, Penguin Group (USA) Inc.

Why can't you evaluate a religion on the basis of your ethical criteria? How else are you supposed to evaluate it?

Of course ethical criteria resemble a religious stance in that they are supernatural (beyond nature). But so what? If Christians can disapprove of cannibalistic religions based on their (religious) ethical criteria, I can disapprove based on my agnostic criteria.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:15 am**

puto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 9:21 am “You can’t evaluate a religion on the basis of some ethical criteria that in the end amounts to your own religious stance” (Keller 12.) "When a Russian cosmonaut returned from space and reported that he had not found God, CS Lewis responded that this was like Hamlet going into the attic of his castle looking for Shakespeare" (Keller 122.)
For the answers, read the book. It will enlighten your opinions.
Keller, Timothy, (2008,) The Reason for God, Belief In An Age of Skepticism, Penguin Group (USA) Inc.

C S Lewis was right but It was the alleged Russian cosmonaut whose idea of God was a pedestrian idea.
However not to evaluate your religious affiliation and stance is stupid (perhaps fear of change makes us stupid.) People who think for themselves are more like Christ than people who have blind faith in an authority.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:25 am**

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:53 am
Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 12:04 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 07, 2025 11:13 pm The Koran is a recipe book for creating psychopaths, with very explicit instructions to kill the unbelievers.
As a matter of fact Jihad is firstly for making oneself a better person , and violence if undertaken as lesser jihad is tightly bound to ethical terms and conditions, and is never a personal decision.
So, you're telling me they produce mindless automatons serving a seventh-century military ideology, so much better than psychopaths-- lol!!

Embarking on the greater jihad is not the act of a mindless automaton. Self examination and self improvement is the action of a responsible and thoughtful man. Mindless automata are not selves.
But Islam is more than a military ideology. Like 'Shalom' and 'Salaam', the name 'Islam' comes from the same source , SLM , which means peace.

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:48 am**

The basis of philosophy of religion is?

Posted: **Wed Oct 08, 2025 11:03 am**

puto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:48 am The basis of philosophy of religion is?

Sociology.

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2025 2:35 pm**

puto wrote: ↑Wed Oct 08, 2025 10:48 am The basis of philosophy of religion is?

I would say that a ‘philosophy of religion’, at least from a perspective of one who does not denigrate religion as utterly irrational and backward perception (i.e. hallucination), is an attempt to explain and understand the religious impulse — which is pre-rational — to a rational subject. One who, like us, has been extruded through our education-processes into modernity and who has no or little viable relationship to spiritual life and understanding.

Posted: **Thu Oct 09, 2025 2:48 pm**

[Belinda is one example of a ‘fully extruded subject’. Her religiosity is academic, sociological, and completely devoid of any ‘spiritual’ element. Strictly ideational, exclusively intellectual, she views religion and religious expression and involvement from a thrice-removed position.

In this sense Belinda is emblematic of a post-religious subject and is typical of most who gravitate toward academic philosophy.]

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