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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Greta wrote:I adored the old instrumental hits - Classical Gas, Also Sprach Tharathustra, Albatross, Frankenstein, Sasha, Hocus Pocus, Love Theme, Apache, Wipeout, Telstar ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1yQoQ12DPI
Makes my skin tingle. I don't know why. That's the mystery of music.

Yes, Classical Gas is a gorgeous tune with an epic quality.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:I chose Spandau Ballet because they were among the best of the 80s, as a fair comparison to the Beatles.

Frankenstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8f-Qb-bwlU

Love those Winter boys.

That ELO tune was very Walrus-y. Much better than the radio hits.

I think each of these 80s pop acts would have one or more songs that will probably be highly regarded in the future - Talking Heads, Prince, Peter Gabriel, U2, Tears for Fears, Dire Straits, but none had the melodic flair or level of daring of the Beatles.

I'd have to day Pink Floyd are, for me, the most consistently satisfying band in their various permutations up to Wish You Were Here. When Roger dominated in Animals and The Wall the music lost that classic Floyd ethereal beauty, but when he left the music lost its edge and depth. In that way the Gilmour/Waters combination reminded me of the McCartney/Lennon sweet-and-sour combination.

Greta wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Greta wrote:I adored the old instrumental hits - Classical Gas, Also Sprach Tharathustra, Albatross, Frankenstein, Sasha, Hocus Pocus, Love Theme, Apache, Wipeout, Telstar ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1yQoQ12DPI
Makes my skin tingle. I don't know why. That's the mystery of music.

Yes, Classical Gas is a gorgeous tune with an epic quality.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:I chose Spandau Ballet because they were among the best of the 80s, as a fair comparison to the Beatles.

Frankenstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8f-Qb-bwlU

Love those Winter boys.

That ELO tune was very Walrus-y. Much better than the radio hits.

Their first three Albums were very different from the rest. They were innovative and featured Classical instrumentation as key players in the tracks, not just as a spectre-esque accompaniment.

ELO's original purpose was to bring the best of rock together with classical, hance the name of the band "Electric Light Orchestra". modern and old together.

Wonderful drumming and other delights.

Bonobo - Animals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDHm7gM ... dLSZ-bkHpq

A very clean sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTHFbSwu3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQE2Fh7fhE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvGhhKbQec

Pluto wrote:A very clean sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTHFbSwu3k

Total shite that any five year old with a cheap keyboard could make in five minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQE2Fh7fhE

heard it a million times before and that means 999,999 times too many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvGhhKbQec

Really good. If you can't sleep.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Two of my favorites from the 60's, as are these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKta_gRc2gA

Love the first, but not the second.
Gerrry and the Pacemakers is a bit too scmaltzy for me, especially that "Phil Spectre" type instrumentation.

That instrumentation is precisely what made it for me in this song; this is one my favorites, ever. I think it's not exaggerated, well handled, as it is in Gary Pucket's "Young Girl":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFVPxBpezk

But I do understand what you mean about that Phil Spectre effect that spoiled The Long and Winding Road.

Three covers of El Condor Pasa. First, from Simon & Garfunkel (1970), which completely ruined the music. Second: the Inti Illimani version, a nice one, but still a bit too soft. Third: the one from Los Incas (1963), which is closer to what you hear from Peruvian street musicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pey29CLID3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1A23SNf04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSwu8-ohoWs

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Two of my favorites from the 60's, as are these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKta_gRc2gA

Love the first, but not the second.
Gerrry and the Pacemakers is a bit too scmaltzy for me, especially that "Phil Spectre" type instrumentation.

That instrumentation is precisely what made it for me in this song; this is one my favorites, ever. I think it's not exaggerated, well handled, as it is in Gary Pucket's "Young Girl":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFVPxBpezk

But I do understand what you mean about that Phil Spectre effect that spoiled The Long and Winding Road.

Yuk!

Growing up in the 1960s with the Beatles and the Stones, Phil Spectre represents old people's music, stuck in the past cheesy and establishment.
There is many a song utterly fucked up by this monster, including "Let it Be" which the Beatles never wanted.

Spectre represents the cheap commercialisation and destruction of great raw talent.

Conde Lucanor wrote:Three covers of El Condor Pasa. First, from Simon & Garfunkel (1970), which completely ruined the music. Second: the Inti Illimani version, a nice one, but still a bit too soft. Third: the one from Los Incas (1963), which is closer to what you hear from Peruvian street musicians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pey29CLID3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW1A23SNf04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSwu8-ohoWs

This is a great evocative tune. I think the good thing about Simon & Garfunkel was that they introduced this tune to a massive audience that would never otherwise have heard any South American music but Bossa Nova, and Samba.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Spectre represents the cheap commercialisation and destruction of great raw talent.

Few things more beautiful than this, imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULw1RHHPv5g
Spector was a mad genius in my opinion.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Pluto wrote:A very clean sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTHFbSwu3k

Total shite that any five year old with a cheap keyboard could make in five minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQE2Fh7fhE

heard it a million times before and that means 999,999 times too many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvGhhKbQec

Really good. If you can't sleep.

As if your opinion means anything

Pluto wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Pluto wrote:A very clean sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTHFbSwu3k

Total shite that any five year old with a cheap keyboard could make in five minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzQE2Fh7fhE

heard it a million times before and that means 999,999 times too many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtvGhhKbQec

Really good. If you can't sleep.

As if your opinion means anything

You have no fucking taste in music.
But you can ignore me because you don't know the difference.

If you don't like the critique, then don't put your shit up here.

Terrapin Station wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Spectre represents the cheap commercialisation and destruction of great raw talent.

Few things more beautiful than this, imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULw1RHHPv5g
Spector was a mad genius in my opinion.

This is exactly the sort of thing I mean. He totally fucked off Tina's vocals in this. Pass me a bucket. This is like putting lace on a Pontiac.

Another hit influenced by Spector:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g_FD_sYazk

This one has nothing to do with Spector, although it has an expansive production style and a goofy rockstar aspect, but I still love the band sound, the moody atmosphere and James Dewar's voice :) Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g9Hs3rnd6s