SOCIALISM IS THE USE OF FORCE TO TAKE AWAY FREEDOM

[Hjarloprillar]

Quit defending tyranny!

I'm not defending or criticising.

I'm just providing the explanation.

Well, the bottom line is that all those criminal bastards belong behind bars whether they be worthless government officials or just worthless ordinary citizens.

bob

I am less sympathetic.
TO keep a person who has no regard for others yet actively destroys them..
for 50 k us a year behind bars.

such is capitalism/socialism. child rapist gets one thing from me.. justice from a glock
Take them out back and put a round through head.

Start with child murderers/rapists and work your way down to [ah thats the question] what is lower limmit.?

the Rorschach test aka "Walter Joseph Kovacs"
And the meat cleaver

6 to 8 millions died in ww2 for race and proclivity [homosex]
a few dirt bags dead by glock is safe insurance and test of will.


there a re 7.5 billions who replace the small loss and make new insane people. cancer is hard to kill

[chasw]

While its problematic to define socialism and capitalism as points or zones on a political spectrum, nevertheless one can describe communism and socialism as a form of altruism that uses state power to achieve its aims of justice for the masses and marginalization of class enemies. In that respect, communism and socialism stand in opposition to ideals of individual freedom and private enterprise.

If you look closely, all socialist institutions rely on coercion to achieve their aims. Examples are abundant, beyond the obvious forced collectivization of agriculture, etc. Consider the union shop where toilers are forced to join an established union or be fired, or the Affordable Health Care Act that requires all US citizens and legal residents to buy standardized health insurance or pay a fine.

Given a free choice, most people will normally exercise their individual freedom and pursue enterprises that benefit them personally. Their altruism is a private sentiment which may or may not benefit those who are less well off. Socialists abhor this situation and the resulting, inevitable inequalities. Communism may have run its course, but its milder form of democratic socialism is alive and well in industrialized countries. A curious aspect of this is the relative zeal for socialism found in affluent suburban precincts and the antipathy for socialist ideals held by most residents of rural and blue-collar communities, who "cling to their guns and God".- CW

[Hjarloprillar]

Given a free choice, most people will normally exercise their individual freedom and pursue enterprises that benefit them personally. Their altruism is a private sentiment which may or may not benefit those who are less well off. Socialists abhor this situation and the resulting, inevitable inequalities. Communism may have run its course, but its milder form of democratic socialism is alive and well in industrialized countries. A curious aspect of this is the relative zeal for socialism found in affluent suburban precincts and the antipathy for socialist ideals held by most residents of rural and blue-collar communities, who "cling to their guns and God".- CW

Well said

I like your thinking. "cling to their guns and god" a truism.
and they become the danger.
for not respecting guns and no idea of god they become the ;enemy;
Lenin
As the leader of the Bolshevik faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, he took a senior role in orchestrating the October Revolution in 1917, which led to the overthrow of the Russian Provisional Government and the establishment of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, the world's first constitutionally socialist state.

all that died with a wimper in 1990's,
300 divisions left without a goal. cared for more by the west than their own nation the gsfg disbanded in place in east germany and ran to the hills .
3000 tanks and bumps left on road to be picked over by locals.
east germany became overnight the owner of more tanks than US by factor of 2. 2000 t72's ant t80's

im australian and we have one 30 tank rtr [ironically w german leopards]
for pop of ~20 mil
as E germany had pop of ~17 mill . the tanks went where? iraq
west germany then inherited the lot and things went positive in a big way

what i am impressed by is that russia is now back in the game.

[chasw]

Thanks, H. My favorite Lenin quote is "Those who do not work, neither shall they eat". I just finished a fascinating History of Communism course at my local university. Accordingly, I plan to post an essay On Communism at my blog soon, but the headline for now is, the extreme form of altruism expressed in the Manifesto of 1848 is characteristic of all the Communist underground organizations and regimes that followed. Women's rights, free education, health care, etc. were part of the program from the beginning.

Even during periods of the most brutal repression, communists remained concerned about helping certain classes raise their social status and standard of living. Mao's team even enumerated them: workers, peasants, soldiers, party cadres and party intellectuals (i.e., professors). All others were class enemies. Modern socialists obviously have retained a good deal of this care for the unfortunates among us, which is a good thing for everyone. State policy IMO should be - public altruism yes within reason, with coercion applied very sparingly. - CW

[Hjarloprillar]

Modern socialists obviously have retained a good deal of this care for the unfortunates among us, which is a good thing for everyone. State policy IMO should be - public altruism yes within reason, with coercion applied very sparingly. - CW

If i may rephrase this

Modern humanity must have a big heart and a good deal of care for the unfortunate. Single moms and kids lost in huge edifice of our system. State policy should
put carers in positions who have education and experience , altruism, yes within reason. coercion like violence is always the last word of the ignorant.

the children is who i cry for in this modern "great black rolling machine of wealth"
they become slaves for factories or the bedroom.

Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in ancient Greek republics: Freedom for slave owners.
Vladimir Lenin

people once called me a nazi bastard . then a commie bastard.
now just a bastard.

that's equality

let be know if you set up blog i can be member#1

[Hobbes' Choice]

The role of government was once, as still is in many places a mechanism for the control of the population for the enrichment of an elite.

In most modern and civilised places it is recognised or becoming recognise that this is a destructive role and it is better that the government adopt a role that promotes a healthy, educated and secure population.

This has proved far more useful to the progress of Nations than the former role.

To promote a healthy well educated and secure population requires that the government take resources created by the economy of the Nation and re-direct those resources where they are needed.
This inevitably redresses the key failing of any capitalist system - which is the polarisation of wealth and resources to a small elite, leading to the impoverishment of the many and the enrichment of the few.

A healthy secure and educated workforce is able to enrich society as a whole and enrich the infrastructure with value added technology made accessible by ensuring low level demand. Low level demand is an essential element vital to a healthy economy and only made possible by the re-distribution of wealth.

Democracy is naturally socialist - and the extension of the vote to all has facilitated the economic miracle of the 20thC.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Quit defending tyranny!

Stop whining like a little baby.
The extension of the vote to all people has led to a socialist government and this has caused the economic miracle of the 20thC which we have all benefited from.
See above!

[bobevenson]

Quit defending tyranny!

The extension of the vote to all people has led to a socialist government and this has caused the economic miracle of the 20thC which we have all benefited from.

If I didn't know you were just a jerk, I'd think you were schizophrenic.

[Kurt]

Dead End!

[Hobbes' Choice]

Quit defending tyranny!

The extension of the vote to all people has led to a socialist government and this has caused the economic miracle of the 20thC which we have all benefited from.

If I didn't know you were just a jerk, I'd think you were schizophrenic.

I'd put myself and evidence, up against you and your ideas, any day.

All countries that have benefitted from the economic miracle of the 20thC, have all got 'socialist' policies which include public health, public education, public roads, and a range of other tax funded publicly available resources.
All countries rejecting the provision and maintenance of public resources have failed to progress.
You are just a curmudgeonly old fart who hates paying taxes without ONCE thinking about what those taxes have done for human progress.

Your brain can't think further than you can piss, you fucking moron.

[bobevenson]

Unfortunately, the fucking moderator won't let me respond to your bullshit.

[chasw]

This dialog has strayed far from forgedinhell's original philosophical question. Too bad cyberspace prevents the two remaining contestants from actually meeting face to face. Methinks a couple 5-minute rounds in the octagon with 4 oz gloves would settle their issues for sure. In any event, its time for me to tapout. - CW

[bobevenson]

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Unfortunately, the fucking moderator won't let me respond to your bullshit.

Your brain won't let you respond you mean!

[bobevenson]

Unfortunately, the fucking moderator won't let me respond to your bullshit.

Your brain won't let you respond you mean!

My hard-hitting comment was deleted by the mod.