The Big Bang is Busted

[SpheresOfBalance]

Could you explain to me what a tat is because I'm not sure I have any.

No worries, my son, it's OK!

You're just going to let me slide then? (lubrication pun not intended)

Sure son, what ever you need.

Carte blanche, huh? Now you're talking my language.

Only in so far as that, which you state, that I believe is ridiculousness, for it's own sake.

You totally lost me there. You must be related to Arising-uk.

Sure son, what ever you say!

Right, she never explains herself either.

In other words Bob, I'll not argue with you when, and only when, I believe you're being ridiculous just for the sake of it.

[bobevenson]

Could you explain to me what a tat is because I'm not sure I have any.

No worries, my son, it's OK!

You're just going to let me slide then? (lubrication pun not intended)

Sure son, what ever you need.

Carte blanche, huh? Now you're talking my language.

Only in so far as that, which you state, that I believe is ridiculousness, for it's own sake.

You totally lost me there. You must be related to Arising-uk.

Sure son, what ever you say!

Right, she never explains herself either.

In other words Bob, I'll not argue with you when, and only when, I believe you're being ridiculous just for the sake of it.

Don't you understand that it's pointless to argue with a divinely-inspired prophet?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Could you explain to me what a tat is because I'm not sure I have any.

No worries, my son, it's OK!

You're just going to let me slide then? (lubrication pun not intended)

Sure son, what ever you need.

Carte blanche, huh? Now you're talking my language.

Only in so far as that, which you state, that I believe is ridiculousness, for it's own sake.

You totally lost me there. You must be related to Arising-uk.

Sure son, what ever you say!

Right, she never explains herself either.

In other words Bob, I'll not argue with you when, and only when, I believe you're being ridiculous just for the sake of it.

Don't you understand that it's pointless to argue with a divinely-inspired prophet?

OK Bob, what ever you say!

[bobevenson]

Could you explain to me what a tat is because I'm not sure I have any.

No worries, my son, it's OK!

You're just going to let me slide then? (lubrication pun not intended)

Sure son, what ever you need.

Carte blanche, huh? Now you're talking my language.

Only in so far as that, which you state, that I believe is ridiculousness, for it's own sake.

You totally lost me there. You must be related to Arising-uk.

Sure son, what ever you say!

Right, she never explains herself either.

In other words Bob, I'll not argue with you when, and only when, I believe you're being ridiculous just for the sake of it.

Don't you understand that it's pointless to argue with a divinely-inspired prophet?

OK Bob, what ever you say!

You know, you're the kind of girl evey guy would love to find!

[Godfree]

It would seem most people don't understand time. They think it is something when in fact it's merely an illusion, a part of their mythology, like that of the definite existence of god, or the boogyman. They are foolish enough to believe that a mechanical device they build, that creates movement at an arbitrary rate, somehow magically senses an invisible concept born of their minds. In all situations it is the speed of relative movement that is changing; that is being measured, there is no need for a third constituent, such that those that actually believe one can traverse time, in either direction, must believe in a god, as they could only have faith that either exists.

I agree , science likes to try and make it's self sound clever ,
and such claims will only ever be an attempt to impress ,
I don't think anybody is ever going to time travel as such ,
but they will argue the maths is correct,
Sob I have asked many here to check out the site I referred to ,
www.bigbangneverhappened.org
and give me their opinion , nobody has yet ,,???
have they accepted that there is proof for my claims and backed off because it is an argument they will lose,,???
seemed everybody liked to challenge my claims while they thought it was,
just my opinion and had no science or facts to back it up ,
now that I'm backing it up , every bodies silent,
I will just assume victory , and the Chaz etc have run out of ideas ,,!!!

[Godfree]

I just checked out the reference to a wiki article on bigbangneverhappened,
and the claim was made that since it's publication ,
the article on plasma cosmology has been heavily censored ,
which supports my claim , that we are being fed a pile of spin ,
that alternative theories , have been censored , and the bbt is
the preferred or politically correct view,
Sob I think you will like the reference to electromagnetic properties ,
while both models refer to matter and antimatter ,
thats about where the similarity ends ,
Hannes Alfven got a Nobel Prize in 1970 for his work on plasma cosmology ,
I find it somewhat reassuring , many of the claims made on this site,
and others I have found , refer to many of the things I was claiming,
I was working it out for myself ,so think I'v done fairly well ,
to draw the same or similar conclusions ,,!!

[SpheresOfBalance]

It would seem most people don't understand time. They think it is something when in fact it's merely an illusion, a part of their mythology, like that of the definite existence of god, or the boogyman. They are foolish enough to believe that a mechanical device they build, that creates movement at an arbitrary rate, somehow magically senses an invisible concept born of their minds. In all situations it is the speed of relative movement that is changing; that is being measured, there is no need for a third constituent, such that those that actually believe one can traverse time, in either direction, must believe in a god, as they could only have faith that either exists.

I agree , science likes to try and make it's self sound clever ,
and such claims will only ever be an attempt to impress ,
I don't think anybody is ever going to time travel as such ,
but they will argue the maths is correct,
Sob I have asked many here to check out the site I referred to ,
http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org
and give me their opinion , nobody has yet ,,???
have they accepted that there is proof for my claims and backed off because it is an argument they will lose,,???
seemed everybody liked to challenge my claims while they thought it was,
just my opinion and had no science or facts to back it up ,
now that I'm backing it up , every bodies silent,
I will just assume victory , and the Chaz etc have run out of ideas ,,!!!

First, Godfree, I'd like to apologize for entertaining and thus encouraging Bob's need for a Jr. High School wrestling match within your thread, and commend you on your patience.

Second, I think that no one has entertained the site whose link you've posted for the exact same reasons. Namely that one can find site's on the internet that have all kinds of claims, three headed babies from Mars, etc. So I'm sure you can see, how some may be reluctant to allow another to do their thinking for them.

I for one would list the site extensions (from lowest credibility to highest): .com, .org, .gov, and finally .edu, and of course .gov sites must always be considered individually, as to the brunt of their purpose. I see that your site is only marginally better than the commercial crowd. If you find something on a .edu site, well now you're talking! Here's an excerpt from wikipedia, as to a .org they say:

"It was originally intended for non-profit organizations or organizations of a non-commercial character that did not meet the requirements for other gTLDs." and "Although org was recommended for non-commercial entities, there are no restrictions to registration. There are many instances of org being used by commercial sites. Second-level domains on org were also commonly used by individuals, although name and info are now alternatives. According to the ICANN Dashboard (Domain Name) report, the composition of org is diverse, including cultural institutions; associations; sports/teams; religious, and civic organizations; open-source software projects; schools; environmental initiatives; social, and fraternal organizations; health organizations; legal services; as well as clubs, and community-volunteer groups. There are also cases where companies or organizations have created sites under org for crisis management."

Or at least I believe that, that may be a part of the problem, which is really not to say that an idea absolutely rubs off onto another, but some may not want to entertain such possibilities. And let us not forget the importance of someones time.

I may give it some time, I'll let you know.

P.S. you were doing fine until you said: "because it is an argument they will lose" as in that statement you tend to answer your own query as to why they may not check it out! And it's not that I necessarily believe that they necessarily think they'll lose, think again as to my point!

[Godfree]

It would seem most people don't understand time. They think it is something when in fact it's merely an illusion, a part of their mythology, like that of the definite existence of god, or the boogyman. They are foolish enough to believe that a mechanical device they build, that creates movement at an arbitrary rate, somehow magically senses an invisible concept born of their minds. In all situations it is the speed of relative movement that is changing; that is being measured, there is no need for a third constituent, such that those that actually believe one can traverse time, in either direction, must believe in a god, as they could only have faith that either exists.

I agree , science likes to try and make it's self sound clever ,
and such claims will only ever be an attempt to impress ,
I don't think anybody is ever going to time travel as such ,
but they will argue the maths is correct,
Sob I have asked many here to check out the site I referred to ,
http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org
and give me their opinion , nobody has yet ,,???
have they accepted that there is proof for my claims and backed off because it is an argument they will lose,,???
seemed everybody liked to challenge my claims while they thought it was,
just my opinion and had no science or facts to back it up ,
now that I'm backing it up , every bodies silent,
I will just assume victory , and the Chaz etc have run out of ideas ,,!!!

First, Godfree, I'd like to apologize for entertaining and thus encouraging Bob's need for a Jr. High School wrestling match within your thread, and commend you on your patience.

Second, I think that no one has entertained the site whose link you've posted for the exact same reasons. Namely that one can find site's on the internet that have all kinds of claims, three headed babies from Mars, etc. So I'm sure you can see, how some may be reluctant to allow another to do their thinking for them.

I for one would list the site extensions (from lowest credibility to highest): .com, .org, .gov, and finally .edu, and of course .gov sites must always be considered individually, as to the brunt of their purpose. I see that your site is only marginally better than the commercial crowd. If you find something on a .edu site, well now you're talking! Here's an excerpt from wikipedia, as to a .org they say:

"It was originally intended for non-profit organizations or organizations of a non-commercial character that did not meet the requirements for other gTLDs." and "Although org was recommended for non-commercial entities, there are no restrictions to registration. There are many instances of org being used by commercial sites. Second-level domains on org were also commonly used by individuals, although name and info are now alternatives. According to the ICANN Dashboard (Domain Name) report, the composition of org is diverse, including cultural institutions; associations; sports/teams; religious, and civic organizations; open-source software projects; schools; environmental initiatives; social, and fraternal organizations; health organizations; legal services; as well as clubs, and community-volunteer groups. There are also cases where companies or organizations have created sites under org for crisis management."

Or at least I believe that, that may be a part of the problem, which is really not to say that an idea absolutely rubs off onto another, but some may not want to entertain such possibilities. And let us not forget the importance of someones time.

I may give it some time, I'll let you know.

P.S. you were doing fine until you said: "because it is an argument they will lose" as in that statement you tend to answer your own query as to why they may not check it out!

This theory has been going since the 50's ,
Plenty of science , a few notables , please do not dismiss this as ,
just another crack pot theory,
if we want to talk science , this appears to be the main contender ,
and the author of the site feels the bbt has been replaced by science ,
as the most likely model , but the people change slower ,
the bbt will remain popular long after it has been dismissed by science,
just as people were slow to warm to the idea that the earth revolved around the sun , and challenged the claim for years to come ,,!!!

[SpheresOfBalance]

It would seem most people don't understand time. They think it is something when in fact it's merely an illusion, a part of their mythology, like that of the definite existence of god, or the boogyman. They are foolish enough to believe that a mechanical device they build, that creates movement at an arbitrary rate, somehow magically senses an invisible concept born of their minds. In all situations it is the speed of relative movement that is changing; that is being measured, there is no need for a third constituent, such that those that actually believe one can traverse time, in either direction, must believe in a god, as they could only have faith that either exists.

I agree , science likes to try and make it's self sound clever ,
and such claims will only ever be an attempt to impress ,
I don't think anybody is ever going to time travel as such ,
but they will argue the maths is correct,
Sob I have asked many here to check out the site I referred to ,
http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org
and give me their opinion , nobody has yet ,,???
have they accepted that there is proof for my claims and backed off because it is an argument they will lose,,???
seemed everybody liked to challenge my claims while they thought it was,
just my opinion and had no science or facts to back it up ,
now that I'm backing it up , every bodies silent,
I will just assume victory , and the Chaz etc have run out of ideas ,,!!!

Then:

First, Godfree, I'd like to apologize for entertaining and thus encouraging Bob's need for a Jr. High School wrestling match within your thread, and commend you on your patience.

Second, I think that no one has entertained the site whose link you've posted for the exact same reasons. Namely that one can find site's on the internet that have all kinds of claims, three headed babies from Mars, etc. So I'm sure you can see, how some may be reluctant to allow another to do their thinking for them.

I for one would list the site extensions (from lowest credibility to highest): .com, .org, .gov, and finally .edu, and of course .gov sites must always be considered individually, as to the brunt of their purpose. I see that your site is only marginally better than the commercial crowd. If you find something on a .edu site, well now you're talking! Here's an excerpt from wikipedia, as to a .org they say:

"It was originally intended for non-profit organizations or organizations of a non-commercial character that did not meet the requirements for other gTLDs." and "Although org was recommended for non-commercial entities, there are no restrictions to registration. There are many instances of org being used by commercial sites. Second-level domains on org were also commonly used by individuals, although name and info are now alternatives. According to the ICANN Dashboard (Domain Name) report, the composition of org is diverse, including cultural institutions; associations; sports/teams; religious, and civic organizations; open-source software projects; schools; environmental initiatives; social, and fraternal organizations; health organizations; legal services; as well as clubs, and community-volunteer groups. There are also cases where companies or organizations have created sites under org for crisis management."

Or at least I believe that, that may be a part of the problem, which is really not to say that an idea absolutely rubs off onto another, but some may not want to entertain such possibilities. And let us not forget the importance of someones time.

I may give it some time, I'll let you know.

P.S. you were doing fine until you said: "because it is an argument they will lose" as in that statement you tend to answer your own query as to why they may not check it out!

This theory has been going since the 50's ,
Plenty of science , a few notables , please do not dismiss this as ,
just another crack pot theory,
if we want to talk science , this appears to be the main contender ,
and the author of the site feels the bbt has been replaced by science ,
as the most likely model , but the people change slower ,
the bbt will remain popular long after it has been dismissed by science,
just as people were slow to warm to the idea that the earth revolved around the sun , and challenged the claim for years to come ,,!!!

OK, I'll check it out.

[SpheresOfBalance]

A few points. My first thought was, 'this guy, Eric J Learner, looks to be quite the mad scientist,' superficial, I know, but he's such a stern looking fellow. Then I noticed that it appears that there have been no updates since 2007, and that it's a front for his company Lawrenceville Plasma Physics Inc., which is looking for investors and equipment donations.

Money; unfortunately, the big motivator!

Of course I do find plasma physics interesting.

Of course more study and research are required before making any decisions as to the accuracy of his claims.

[Godfree]

A few points. My first thought was, 'this guy, Eric J Learner, looks to be quite the mad scientist,' superficial, I know, but he's such a stern looking fellow. Then I noticed that it appears that there have been no updates since 2007, and that it's a front for his company Lawrenceville Plasma Physics Inc., which is looking for investors and equipment donations.

Money; unfortunately, the big motivator!

Of course I do find plasma physics interesting.

Of course more study and research are required before making any decisions as to the accuracy of his claims.

There are many things about the plasma model that I agree with ,
the universe is infinite,,!!!
not expanding,,!!!
there was no bang , beginning to time or space ,
it all just makes sense , unlike the bb which just doesn't ,,!!
a few new snibits for you to chew over,
Einsteins brother , was appointed head of the spin machine ,
around the time the bbt was launched ,
no wonder he got rock star status , if his bro was handling the pr
and america was trying to win the space race , the arms race ,
and no doubt the science race ,
I'm even more convinced the bbt is a piece of political propaganda,
And , if the universe is infinite , there was no bang ,
galaxies then can be much older , thats the good news ,
the chances of there being a message waiting for us has nearly doubled,
because the 13.7 billion year time frame , doesn't leave enough time for the galaxies that we see as old images , already 13 billion years old ,
they can't have a technological society , not enough time ,
so with the correct time frame , we can look at all galaxies,
as a potential source of life ,,!!!

[John]

Einsteins brother , was appointed head of the spin machine ,

Einstein did not have a brother. He had a sister, Maja.

around the time the bbt was launched ,

Lemaître proposed the big bang theory in 1931. Einstein's fame began in 1919 when Eddington confirmed that the Sun's gravitational field deflected light.

no wonder he got rock star status , if his "bro" was handling the pr

Leaving aside the highly dubious assertion that somehow rock star fame is guaranteed if your "bro" is handling the PR, see above.

[bobevenson]

Money; unfortunately, the big motivator!

What do you mean "unfortunately"??? Money is what leads to things getting done in free-market capitalism. It's nonprofit organizations, doing things for the so-called good of society, that waste money and accomplish very little except getting their executives a nice paycheck.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Money; unfortunately, the big motivator!

What do you mean "unfortunately"??? Money is what leads to things getting done in free-market capitalism. It's nonprofit organizations, doing things for the so-called good of society, that waste money and accomplish very little except getting their executives a nice paycheck.

In case you haven't caught wind of it, I see both capitalism and money the evil tools of dominance (slave creators) that they are. I find that the road to riches was an ancient choice down the wrong path that unfortunately still remains the status quo after all this time. I mean come on, some monkey found a pretty, heavy, shiny gold colored rock and he's still beating people over the head with it to this day. The perception of being special, important, powerful or successful due to your possessing a heavy gold or silver element is just an illusion! It's a F'ing joke. And I consider all that buy into it, as monkey boys (those whose minds are still stuck in the days of cavemen).

This is the: "The Big Bang is Busted" thread so let us not derail the topic at hand.

[bobevenson]

Money; unfortunately, the big motivator!

What do you mean "unfortunately"??? Money is what leads to things getting done in free-market capitalism. It's nonprofit organizations, doing things for the so-called good of society, that waste money and accomplish very little except getting their executives a nice paycheck.

In case you haven't caught wind of it, I see both capitalism and money the evil tools of dominance (slave creators) that they are. I find that the road to riches was an ancient choice down the wrong path that unfortunately still remains the status quo after all this time. I mean come on, some monkey found a pretty, heavy, shiny gold colored rock and he's still beating people over the head with it to this day. The perception of being special, important, powerful or successful due to your possessing a heavy gold or silver element is just an illusion! It's a F'ing joke. And I consider all that buy into it, as monkey boys (those whose minds are still stuck in the days of cavemen).

This is the: "The Big Bang is Busted" thread so let us not derail the topic at hand.

Honey, you are so far off base on economics that your level of understanding the subject must be termed hopeless. Of course, the same can be said for your understanding of astrophysics.