can men be feminists

[reasonvemotion]

Now a female can go to a bar with her tits and ass showing, expressing her sexuality, and no male can touch her, expressing his sexuality, as she is encases in a noetic umbrella of Big Brother.
Masculinity and his natural advantages are deemed unwanted, criminal. Now a male must seduce a female as a female used to seduce a male: with looks, make-up, shaking his ass, wealth which he acquires by servicing the system.
See how wonderfully that works out?

This fits in well with the story of Sarah Tobias," the working class girl who after a few drinks and some suggestive dancing is thrown on top of a pin ball machine and gang raped by local guys, while others watched and cheered. Sarah's attorney negotiates a plea bargain. Her reason....... defense attorneys could use Sarah's chequered past to suggest she was "asking for it". The incident of the rape destroyed Sarah's life and the attorney decides she must seek justice."

A man cannot feel free to touch a woman unless she allows it, if she is "asking for it", she will ask, verbally.

[johngalthasspoken]

It is every woman's right to enjoy sex, without being labelled, whore or slut.

I think you are confused. Feminism isn't a guarantee that you can do whatever you want and still be regarded highly by other people (or yourself for that matter).But i must admit, I LOVE SLUTS.. if it weren't for "sexually liberated" women like yourself, i wouldn't have got laid so much.I have very frequently enjoyed the company of sluts from my prolific bar and nightclub experiences.I have nothing but admiration that so many "empowered" women spread their legs for guys like me,with no hope hope of any kind of long term commitment whatsoever

And when I think of the money I saved from not using prostitutes......bliss! GOD BLESS SLUTS

[reasonvemotion]

I think you are confused. Feminism isn't a guarantee that you can do whatever you want and still be regarded highly by other people (or yourself for that matter).But i must admit, I LOVE SLUTS.. if it weren't for "sexually liberated" women like yourself, i wouldn't have got laid so much.I have very frequently enjoyed the company of sluts from my prolific bar and nightclub experiences.I have nothing but admiration that so many "empowered" women spread their legs for guys like me,with no hope hope of any kind of long term commitment whatsoever

And when I think of the money I saved from not using prostitutes......bliss! GOD BLESS SLUTS

You think if a women can enjoy sex which expresses natural passion and with whom she chooses is a slut, particularly if she chooses more than one man, two men, three.... is there a number which you could comfortably say she was a slut in your opinion. Are you a man who despises all women who don't want you, are they sluts too? I have not used the word "prolific" in my description of women's enjoyment. That does not enter my argument. I am advocating the acceptance of women's expression of their sexuality without the irrational judgements and labels you have written above. Some men just wont or cant accept women are sexual beings and creative in their lovemaking, not necessarily confined to one man. Yet, you as a man, are free to cruise without discrimination, label or limit (if you wish to bring numbers into it) and expect

you can do whatever you want and still be regarded highly by other people

[Atthet]

It is every woman's right to enjoy sex,

I like this, feminism summed up very nicely. It is, supposedly, a "woman's right" to enjoy sex.......what does that mean? LOL

without being labelled,

How Jewish of you, to hate judgment so much

whore or slut.

The archetypal "feminist", as you prove here, wants to deny reality. She wants to be a whore, without being called a whore. She wants the sex without the scorn. She denies her own nature, as a woman competing against other women, for sexual access to dominant, alpha males.

You should note that it is often not men who "label" women whores and sluts, but in fact, other women. This is a reminder and a shaming tactic, within women sexual competition. Whores, like you, are most apt to backstab and betray other women, when seducing an alpha male is available.

In philosophical terms, you are nothing more than a brainless hypocrite, all "emotion", no reason.

[reasonvemotion]

Women today are more aware and demanding of " their right to sexual autonomy, but sexually active women remain vulnerable to harsh social judgments, as was proven for example, on this forum by both respondents with their highly charged hysterical accusatory responses. Quite amusing actually, both coming to the same conclusion a woman is a slut if she dares to celebrate her sexuality in an unacceptable or unconventional way according to them.

"Women are, indeed, hungry for sexual autonomy but the term" slut" is so deeply rooted in the patriarchal "madonna/whore" view of women's sexuality that it is beyond redemption. The word is so saturated with the ideology that female sexual energy deserves punishment! Incomprehensible.

The myriad ways in which the law and the culture enable myths about all types of women – sexually active or "chaste" alike. These myths facilitate sexual violence by undermining women's credibility when they report sex crimes, we blame victims by calling them "sluts" (who thus asked to be raped), or we call them "frigid" (who thus secretly want to be overpowered)".

To defeat this narrow attitude,' women need to find ways to create their own authentic sexuality, outside of defined terms like slut'.

They have the right to live in a world that celebrates equally women's sexual freedom and bodily integrity."

[Satyr]

"The main organ of sexual pleasure for the man is the same organ of reproduction, the penis. For women, the sex-equivalent of the penis is the clitoris. In terms of typical male pleasure, the vagina does seem to be the corresponding organ to the penis. But, in point of anatomical fact as well as many women's experience the vagina is of relatively little importance for a woman's sexual pleasure.

For a female, imbecile, the entire body is a sexual organ.
Read some Weininger for Chist's sake, you dumb bitch.
She is a walking , talking, sex organ. One does not make a women reach orgasm by stimulating her clitoris, only...or by stimulating her brain, with porno, only....she must be stimulated totally....TOTALLY. A woman is inspired towards orgasm.
She can have multiple orgasms and fuck for hours...for a man this is not so. He is satiated quickly and easily.

For a female her entire being is sex...this is what makes feminism hilarious.

The female is nature, the reproductive, the unconscious, the cruel, the instinctive.
This is why she does not excel in any other field but sex, relationships, child rearing.

The very nature of heterosexual activity was entirely male-centered and silenced the clitoris and deprived women the full realization of women centered eroticism.

YOU are NOT mystical dear. Not to men like me.
To men like the retards you socialize with and discuss shit about, here, or in your "real" life, may be flabbergasted, confused, mesmerized by your crap. To me, and my own, you are simple....SIMPLE.
You are as simple, and complex, as a stream trickling down a path, amongst the stones and flowers.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Porn is "androcentric", moron, because it is male sexuality which is being denied...otherwise, idiot, you would be raped every day if you did not huddle close to another, besides the institution, the state, masculine power to protect your "right" to sexual choice.
Stupid....your 'feminism' is all about male-on-male competitiveness...you females have no part except as collateral effects and the end-prize.

It is MEN whoa re being placated and suppressed...and you females are the means towards this end...which other men control.
Your precious feminism, twat, is a male invention.
It is males who must be castrated, controlled, brain-washed...you females are easy. You fall for the first "alpha" that comes along, then you deny there is such a thing.

What was the "Devil's", Satan's (Satyr's) greatest trick?
That he convinced idiots, like you, that he did not exist.
All this metaphorically...of course.

Women overall today are informed and liberated to ask for and if necessary, show the man how to give her pleasure.

In fact getting a woman "off" is the epitome of maleness, for males in modernity.
I, personally, could care less about your orgasms, twat.
My masculinity is not defined by your judgments.

You are what you have always been: blind, stupid, simple creatures, used by men for a reason and a purpose. Now, in modern times, being seduced and controlled by those who feed you your morals and principles and flatter you, you serve their goals.

If a man lays with a woman today, it is her choice ,(albeit for her sexual need or she has a hidden agenda to gain from it) and not necessarily due to the ploys of a man.

it's her choisce because Big Brother is there to make sure, no, twat?
Imagine yourself outside this system in anarchy...a no-system, an emergent system...who, then, would ensure that you get to choose, sweets?
Who would run to your defense?
Who would agree with your "rights" and from where would these "rights" come from...god?

What a stupid twat you are.

If one was to base the assumption on everything stems from sex, this change in human behavior would have huge ramifications on the concept of man and woman.

Then you should be careful what you wish for because outside of sex females have ZERO value.
Men put up with you and endure you and flatter you because of your pussies.
Your minds are pulp. Even when you use them you always follow recipes.
Where are the great female chefs if women were "confined" for so long in the kitchen?
Even here you females need a recipe to follow, to repeat...to adhere to.
You make good bakers.

Look at mothers. Do they not pass on traditions?
Yes...because that's all they can do and were meant to do. They adhere and remain loyal to the top-dog.

Overall, for a woman, this is a vast improvement from the days of being taught to tolerate the perceived brutality of man's penetration of her "unwilling" body?

Indeed...as it would be a "better deal" for a dog to consider itself the equal to its master.

It is every woman's right to enjoy sex, without being labelled, whore or slut.

A REAL woman enjoys giving in and satisfying her man.
This is what makes her horny: to be, for the man, his conduit towards something better.

Why are so many females sexually dissatisfied?
Because they've bought into the modern myths...but their bodies do not fall for what their minds readily do.

You can teach a man, for example, that beauty is skin-deep and that it does not matter and that beauty lies on the "inside" yet his body will not care, twat...he will get an erection only at the sight of a well-formed, rump and large breasts and the 7/10 dimensions that denote fertility and health.
He, being an inferior male, might settle, but he will never be totally satisfied.

Now apply this to females.

[reasonvemotion]

"Watching all these people get worked up makes me laugh. It tends to be more men than women"
Bernard Henri Levy, my alpha male, that should give you some insight into how shallow and feminine I am.


I have not indicated that my words were in any way my personal opinion, but
They were chosen specifically to get a response, which I had hoped would have been more varied.

I have been attacked verbally, accused of being a slut, lacking in intelligence, not knowing or appreciating my own body, my friends demeaned, accused of dishonorable behavior, cast out from the philosophy forum, by the people who feel threatened by words. I simpy expressed some women's stance on how they wish to express themselves and their objections to the perception of their sex by some men. From your responses, it seems the only positive outcome from this has been the mysogynists and narcissists have acknowledged who they are.


" Your tempers negate your words".

[Atthet]

There's nothing "threatening" about your words. You're all emotion, no reason in sight. A stranger to this forum may question why you even feel the need to log in and participate in the first place. To that, I would respond obviously.

The memes inside your head, the propaganda you reproduce verbatim, is not your own. Your "feminist" ideology is not "yours". You don't own it. You are a product, and parody, of it. You are like a slave, who does not realize she is owned by her master. A master who has successfully convinced you of your "freedom", you buy into this slavery. Your essence, as a "human being", as you call them, has been destroyed, recycled, and then sold back to you at a diminished value.

You are not more "threatening" then a swarm of flies attacking a fresh steaming pile of shit. This shit reaks, it is called feminism. And this is the pile of rot you call your "brain".

You are controlled by "words" which you have no idea of, nor do you understand their meaning, their origin, or why you have been convinced by them, or who convinced you. How did Satyr put it...you're clueless. That's exactly what you are, stupid, dishonorable, disgraced, shameful, a slut, a whore, a typical pussy, an ordinary woman, a below average woman. At least, the women you scorn for their superior looks, behaviors, and morals, over you, have something going for them.

At least they can turn a man's head twice. Let me guess, you're old, ugly, and have no tits?? LOL!

[reasonvemotion]

Do you say.....

I luuuuuuv you big time... and then they come.............. and leave. LOL



I know my worth, you have none.

[chaz wyman]

There's nothing "threatening" about your words. You're all emotion, no reason in sight. A stranger to this forum may question why you even feel the need to log in and participate in the first place. To that, I would respond obviously.

The memes inside your head, the propaganda you reproduce verbatim, is not your own. Your "feminist" ideology is not "yours". You don't own it. You are a product, and parody, of it. You are like a slave, who does not realize she is owned by her master. A master who has successfully convinced you of your "freedom", you buy into this slavery. Your essence, as a "human being", as you call them, has been destroyed, recycled, and then sold back to you at a diminished value.

You are not more "threatening" then a swarm of flies attacking a fresh steaming pile of shit. This shit reaks, it is called feminism. And this is the pile of rot you call your "brain".

You are controlled by "words" which you have no idea of, nor do you understand their meaning, their origin, or why you have been convinced by them, or who convinced you. How did Satyr put it...you're clueless. That's exactly what you are, stupid, dishonorable, disgraced, shameful, a slut, a whore, a typical pussy, an ordinary woman, a below average woman. At least, the women you scorn for their superior looks, behaviors, and morals, over you, have something going for them.

At least they can turn a man's head twice. Let me guess, you're old, ugly, and have no tits?? LOL!

She's smarter than you buddy. And with all those macho memes, controlling your vitriolic bullshit judging women by looks and not what is important on this Forum, you look pretty fucking stupid.

[Satyr]

"Watching all these people get worked up makes me laugh. It tends to be more men than women"
Bernard Henri Levy, my alpha male, that should give you some insight into how shallow and feminine I am.

I love pseudo-intellectual French men.

Sweetie...big muscles is not an alpha-male necessarily. You are falling for the same shit the pedophile homo (Spheresofballs) is falling for.
See how attractive a suave French accent with the air of sophisticated brilliance can be to a simple woman, like you?
But yes, your obsession reveals your shallowness.
Levy is a keeper.

" Your tempers negate your words".

You wish.

Here's another "truth".
Females are always struggling to find their value within the group, the tribe, the system, just as men are.
For females it begins in the early years with this attraction to the natural alpha and then as time goes by and she comes to understand her value, in relation to other females, and the cultural rules governing her sexual behavior, she settles for the more pragmatic social alpha, which is really a beta who has so thoroughly surrendered tot eh only dominant masculine entity allowed,. the institution, that he gains the "privilege" of being a symbolic representation of it, attaining the resources and status appropriate to make him pragmatically desirable to females.

So when you hear a female talk about how she "grew up" from her early days when "bad boys" made her wet to more "refined" tastes what she means, without always knowing that she means it, is that she's capitulated, through the years, to pragmatic considerations and, through the years, she's become aware and has accepted her sexual value as this is determined by the environment, which in modern times is the one humans create with their interventions.
One reason feminism is so beneficial to females is not because of pay equity but it releases them from some of the social bounds that restrict her sexual market-value.
We see in current times how many males have been "priced out of the sexual market" setting up victim groups like the MRA (Men's Rights Association)....or the resentment of men "turning their backs" and "dropping out", as they are doing in Japan and increasingly in all areas of the Globalizing world.

A female's sense of self-worth is always tied to the quality of male(s) she can attract...and if quality is not her strength then quantity will do.
This is the only field where she competes with other females.
Of course what she considers "quality" is always determined by the environment which force-feeds her ideals and principles and "truths" through acceptable, institutionalized authority figures.
Her mind is trained to want a particular kind of male, with particular ambitions and behaviors, while her body, evolved through thousands of years of natural selection, unaffected by the particulars of the immediate nurturing (education, training, morals) manmade environment, is still attracted to the more primal, naturally produced and determined, alpha-male.
She is torn, confused...in the beginning, in her youth, but as she "matures", the former evaluations, standards of evaluation, moralities, communal codes of principles, being drilled into her constantly, from birth, until they take prominence and she settles for what she is supposed to want.

The success of a female's sexual role is dependent upon her becoming accepted and on belonging and being integrated within a group.
This is more so for humans who have a long gestation period and whose offspring take longer time-periods to mature to the point of self-reliance.
For a human female finding the support of a group, and establishing herself within it, is important.

[Satyr]

if you bitches want to 'fall in love' for a smooth talking, suave, moron like Levy then it is your right, of course.
It also exposes your qualities.

But if Frenchmen are your passions, girls then try this one out. He is far better, far more intelligent and insightful, but not as suave and with not as well groomed, perhaps.

Disneyland is there to conceal the fact that it is the “real” country, all of “real” America, which is Disneyland (just as prisons are there to conceal the fact that it is the social in its entirety, in its banal omnipresence, which is carceral). Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real, when in fact all of Los Angeles and the America surrounding it are no longer real, but of the order of the hyperreal and the simulation.
It is no longer a question of a false representation of reality (ideology), but of concealing the fact that the real is no longer real, and thus of saving the reality principle. The Disneyland imaginary is neither true nor false; it is a deterrence machine set up in order to rejuvenate in reverse the fiction of the real. Whence the debility, the infantile degeneration of this imaginary. It is meant to be an infantile world, in order to make us believe that the adults are elsewhere, in the “real” world, and to conceal the fact that real childishness is everywhere, particularly amongst those adults who go there to act the child in order to foster illusions as to their real childishness.

Mingling with turds like most of you one can see the childishness pretending to be maturity.
We have imbeciles ignoring me,a s if this will deal with he reality I expose them to; a coward who threatens me with bodily harm and then slithers into the background because he has nothing else to say other than about his "gaze" and the Martial Arts boyishness of a man-child who has never actually been exposed to real violence, and a **** who declares those who might not swallow the bullshit she does as being "sociopaths" without anybody being disturbed by this misandry or the stupidity is protects.

All of these turds believe in their hearts, that they are adults and living in reality where all are equal, all deserve, all is safe, and all will turn out fine if they have faith and try hard enough.

The system manufactures infantile psychologies, which we call dumbing-down, because it depends on retarding maturity so as to make the masses more manageable.
No wonder females are coming out of institutionalized education (training monkeys to behave in socially acceptable ways and to think is prescribed manners, following recipes) at increasingly larger numbers compared to males. They never question...they memorize, repeat and follow unquestioningly what was given to them.
Females, and effete males, never challenge authority (the institutionalized alpha-male) but only wish to serve and service him/it. That's why they never revolutionize thought, art, science...they always serve it as loyal, participates, useful and valuable only within the contexts they adopt and identify with.

[Satyr]

To return this thread to its origins:

Why are some men feminists?

It's the classic beta-male tactic.
The alpha positions is already taken and symbolically represented, so all that's left is the same tactic inferior males in any primate social group use: bribery....making of themselves carpets to be stepped on....deference...flattery....mound of patience...buying into the lie to make the performance more convincing (read Trivers).

[mtmynd1]

To return this thread to its origins:

Why are some men feminists?

It's the classic beta-male tactic.
The alpha positions is already taken and symbolically represented, so all that's left is the same tactic inferior males in any primate social group use: bribery....making of themselves carpets to be stepped on....deference...flattery....mound of patience...buying into the lie to make the performance more convincing (read Trivers).

When has this been anything but what it is? Do we really need a Satyr to mouth off his little philosophy to recognize what has always been?

I'll answer that! No.

Your "classic beta-male tactic" is but another way of you saying: "I, Satyr, see things so much differently from others and that makes me really a great person, not to mention I read Trivers." (Pssst.... hey.... bullshit!)

Look, Mr. Scary Eyes, hu'man nature is filled with differences in reactions, with differences in thinking, with differences in being.. each and everyone of us being as unique as our own genetic makeup. To attempt to conclude that there is one answer is a fool's game. To waste our time listing what you believe to be the only answer is trying to fluff up the feather in your own ass. You can talk all the shit you want but the FACT will never change. The language of the discussion is the only difference we will ever hear as the endlessness of time continues going forward.... and that language is ultimately useless as a Satyr. We each adapt to that which we are familiar with and find comfort in. Period.

Move on. clown.

[mickthinks]

bribery....making of themselves carpets to be stepped on....deference...flattery....mound of patience...buying into the lie to make the performance more convincing .

But that isn't feminism, Satty!