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the sidewalks are littered with free needlesImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pm ...Go and see. You won't miss it: take a walk in any of the homeless areas in a major city. See if they have any medical care there...
Well, I think by most metrics London qualifies as a major city. The number of homeless people is known to be north of 210 000, because those are the ones that are in temporary accomodation. A shocking number, and a personal tragedy for each of them. On the plus side, they are in the system and are therefore already factored into the costs and have access to precisely the same medical care as anyone who relies on the NHS. The number of rough sleepers who are counted by outreach teams who do as you suggest and "take a walk in any of the homeless areas", is about 1500 on any given night. They too have full access to the NHS and are part of the total bill.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pm...take a walk in any of the homeless areas in a major city. See if they have any medical care there.
It's depends on the wonderful socialist and what they want, but if they limit their ambitions to the care for rough sleepers, the cost of which you believe would be "astronomically high", the actual answer is fuċk all. So unless you can show that London and the NHS are atypical of cities in countries that provide universal healthcare, your claims are exposed as the pearl clutching, dystopian hysterics I'm entirely confident they are.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pmBut how much money do our wonderful Socialist think we need to infuse to the government to pay for what they want? That's a really good question. And if you imagine we should have a figure for what I say, we surely need a figure for that, as well. What is it?
And how's that working out for them? And how's it working out for the NHS? Is it everything you ever hoped it would be? There are plenty of people who think the NHS is actually in pretty critical shape...maybe on life support. https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/ ... th-the-nhs, https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/23/uk/uk-nh ... t-gbr-intl. So yours would seem to be a questionable view.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 2:09 pm...they are in the system and are therefore already factored into the costs and have access to precisely the same medical care as anyone who relies on the NHS.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pm...take a walk in any of the homeless areas in a major city. See if they have any medical care there.
I know Socialists have dyslexia when it comes to money. They think it "just appears," or "government creates it." But they can't wish it into existence. So opinions are not the question. Rather, it depends on how many people the "universal" system has to serve, and with what services. Funding requires a number, not wishes.It's depends on the wonderful socialist and what they want,Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pmBut how much money do our wonderful Socialists think we need to infuse to the government to pay for what they want? That's a really good question. And if you imagine we should have a figure for what I say, we surely need a figure for that, as well. What is it?
Don't worry: most of them are buried under the garbage and excrement.Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 10:58 pmthe sidewalks are littered with free needlesImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2026 1:50 pm ...Go and see. You won't miss it: take a walk in any of the homeless areas in a major city. See if they have any medical care there...
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All that proves is that either you can't do rudimentary research, or that, whoops-a-daisy, any research you have done unambiguously shows that you are talking out your arse. Can you at least name the cities you are referring to?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 4:20 amYou asked what proof I had. I pointed out that the cities in my country are awash with the "unserved," and especially with masses of the addicted and mentally ill. And they are. You can't miss them.
There really is no point debating morons who argue from perfectionism. All problems are unsolvable if you expect absolute solutions.
Here's a thought: should younger-you invest more or less of their capital towards the medical needs of older-you? Should we (maybe, I don't know...) do some actuarial science and figure out some population-averages over time?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 4:20 am I know Socialists have dyslexia when it comes to money. They think it "just appears," or "government creates it." But they can't wish it into existence. So opinions are not the question. Rather, it depends on how many people the "universal" system has to serve, and with what services. Funding requires a number, not wishes.
Well, Mr Can, being Mr Can, will be squealing with glee, because the porridge between his ears has turned that into 'Skepdick thinks I'm perfect.' That would be glaringly obvious to all, were we to travel to some unspecified location and see it for ourselves.
Reminds me of a slogan (paraphrased) being perfect is only a virtue if you aren't a perfect moron.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 11:33 amWell, Mr Can, being Mr Can, will be squealing with glee, because the porridge between his ears has turned that into 'Skepdick thinks I'm perfect.' That would be glaringly obvious to all, were we to travel to some unspecified location and see it for ourselves.There really is no point debating morons who argue from perfectionism.
Do you know what the most rudimentary kind of research is?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:07 amAll that proves is that either you can't do rudimentary research...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 4:20 amYou asked what proof I had. I pointed out that the cities in my country are awash with the "unserved," and especially with masses of the addicted and mentally ill. And they are. You can't miss them.
Toronto offers free, low-barrier medical care for homeless and precariously housed individuals through mobile street teams, drop-in clinics, and hospital-connected programs. Key services include physical and mental health care, addiction medicine, and wound care, available regardless of OHIP status.
Mobile & Street
OutreachSCOUT (Street Clinical Outreach for Unsheltered Torontonians): A mobile team of doctors, nurses, and case managers that brings healthcare directly to encampments, ravines, and the streets.
PEACH (Palliative Education and Care for the Homeless): Provides mobile palliative and end-of-life care for vulnerable individuals in shelters and on the streets.
Rotary Club Health Bus: Operates through Sherbourne Health, bringing medical care, vaccinations, and disease screening to locations with high needs.
Drop-In & Community Health
CentersStreet Health: Provides primary care, harm reduction, nursing, and identification replacement services for individuals who are unhoused.
Inner City Family Health Team: Offers comprehensive primary care, mental health support, and addiction medicine tailored specifically to the homeless population.
Sherbourne Health: Provides low-barrier primary care, psychiatric services, and a diabetes education program for people facing barriers to traditional healthcare.
The Scott Mission: Features expanded clinic and treatment rooms in Toronto to serve vulnerable residents.
Hospital Transition & System
NavigationCATCH-H (Coordinated Access To Care from Hospital for the Homeless): A program that connects individuals with complex health needs to community health supports when they are discharged from hospital emergency departments.
You're listing Christian missions and other charitable organizations, as if the universal health care of the government was providing them.phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 9:15 pmToronto offers free, low-barrier medical care for homeless and precariously housed individuals through mobile street teams, drop-in clinics, and hospital-connected programs. Key services include physical and mental health care, addiction medicine, and wound care, available regardless of OHIP status.
Oh dear. If you had 'I am a useless wänker' tattooed on your forehead, no one's opinion of you would change; including yours. You said:Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:10 pmDo you know what the most rudimentary kind of research is?Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 8:07 amAll that proves is that either you can't do rudimentary research...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2026 4:20 amYou asked what proof I had. I pointed out that the cities in my country are awash with the "unserved," and especially with masses of the addicted and mentally ill. And they are. You can't miss them.
Go outside and look.
That's what I'm telling you to do.
Or...turn on your computer, and watch some news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1wA7a8KiEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEt1oV6lO6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG-YQrZQNDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoAzzgh ... FMUzzJRh6L
That is bollocks. Case closed.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2026 2:49 pm...healthcare has still turned into a bottomless pit...especially with things like immigration and the mental health and fentanyl crises, which aren't actually even being addressed right now, and will explode the costs if they ever are.
LOL! THE DUH FACTOR!Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jun 13, 2026 3:21 pm decent medical care only prolongs your separation from god
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