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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 2:29 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 6:17 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2026 10:24 pm
I don't answer for my country.

Then you have nothing to say.

About countries? Of course not.

Caught in the lie.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 6:56 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 6:33 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2026 10:51 pm mean what can Western environmental organizations do if China doesn't want to cooperate?

Mister Can doesn't speak about nations and what they should do, or what reasons they might have. He only talks about what he is doing in his garden now.

Actually, I talk about both.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 7:11 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 2:29 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 6:17 am
Then you have nothing to say.

About countries? Of course not.

Caught in the lie.

So stupid. Are you really this thick? I can't imagine -- you must be trolling.

Of course I have opinions. I just have no say...as in, no power to make the changes you are talking about.

Like you, actually.

Now I have no time for trolls.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2026 10:24 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2026 7:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2026 1:08 pm
How so? What access of knowledge do you have to what I do?

None, obviously.

Your country does not what it can to not pollute the environment.

I don't answer for my country.

An individual citizen is only responsible for two things: one, what he does personally, and two, his vote in the general election. If he does those two things well, he's done all he can.

So you could have answered whether or not Canada should pursue lower emissions just because it is the right thing to do instead of only doing the right thing is some other country does it too. You simply chose to pretend you couldn't and now the act is inconvenient for you, you want to selectively drop it.

2023 CO2 emissions by Country, Per Capita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita

Nation.....%of Global Average....Emissions(Tons p/a)
Canada..................307%............14.91
Australia................293%............14.21
United States..........285%.............13.83
China...................190%..............9.24
New Zealand...........149%.............7.22
Germany................145%.............7.06
United Kingdom.......91%...............4.42
India....................43%...............2.07
Angola..................16%...............0.78

There's plenty of scope for Canada, Australia and the USA to reduce emissions if they decide to become better people.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 7:58 pm So you could have answered...

No time for trolls.

caught in the lie

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 7:58 pm So you could have answered...

No time for trolls.

Is this some sort of last word thing?

Manny’s trying to pretend that his position is strong enough for him to walk away and leave you to attack it impotently.

Except that he can’t afford to leave. He has to keep coming back to prevent you having the last word. It’s yet another lie he’s caught in, but this time he sprang the trap himself.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 7:59 pm
There's plenty of scope for Canada, Australia and the USA to reduce emissions if they decide to become better people.

Actually there is some argument about Canada, whether or not net emissions. Remember, Canada has lots of tree removing CO2 from the air, a lot of tree per person.

In terms of Canadians living within THEIR ecological base, doing better than most places. Remember, they have a lot of "base" compared to their population. How we measure, what's an ethical way to measure, all debatable.

In terms of the planet as a whole. Canadians have `more than a fair per capita share of the environment. I believe if we only had to consider Canada, Canadians perhaps could get to a sustainable solution without a reduction in population. Unfortunately for them, no defensible border against the much more powerful and populous neighbor to the South. So come the crash, they will be overrun.

no defensible border...

the RCMP is very cool but how many times has Dudley caught Snidley only to have Snidley escape?

-Imp

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2026 9:40 pm Canada has lots of tree removing CO2 from the air, a lot of tree per person.

Technically, the greenest country on earth, if you balance number of inhabitants against amount of greenery.

But the larger point is this: China and India and the rest are going to keep polluting at an exponentially-accelerating rate as they industrialize. Western countries have plateaued, and henceforth will be reduced to a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall pollution.

So any solution lies in the Developing World, not in the West. Whomever imagines himself to be "green" must henceforth have some suggestion of what to do with countries in which he does not live.

I see no such suggestions here. What I see instead is a whole lot of Western-bashing that stands to change absolutely nothing about the real problems of pollution.