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accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:20 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:14 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:56 am

Yet only 2.7 percent of the population. And what do you mean 'pimps'?? Those men are RAPISTS.

No, they pimps out these girls to customers. That is where the money for the drugs comes from.

It's illegal and it's rape.

It is statutory rape by the customers but not necessarily by the pimps. It depends on whether the pimp also has sex with the girl. That is not needed for the business model that they use. It is sex with the customer that brings in the money for the drugs for the girl.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:28 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:20 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:14 am
No, they pimps out these girls to customers. That is where the money for the drugs comes from.

It's illegal and it's rape.

It is statutory rape by the customers but not necessarily by the pimps. It depends on whether the pimp also has sex with the girl. That is not needed for the business model that they use. It is sex with the customer that brings in the money for the drugs for the girl.

You seem to be very 'au fait' on laws regarding the rape of children. How 'surprising'. I guess that's why you choose to live in a muslim country,

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:40 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:28 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:20 am

It's illegal and it's rape.

It is statutory rape by the customers but not necessarily by the pimps. It depends on whether the pimp also has sex with the girl. That is not needed for the business model that they use. It is sex with the customer that brings in the money for the drugs for the girl.

You seem to be very 'au fait' on laws regarding the rape of children. How 'surprising'. I guess that's why you choose to live in a muslim country,

For a starters, I don't live in a Muslim-majority country. Secondly, the laws are different in every country. The laws are not completely the same here in SE Asia.

So, in your opinion, someone who is familiar with the laws on burglary, is necessarily a burglar? If you know what the local law says about theft, then you are obviously a thief?

In that case, I suspect that you must have a full-blown Ph.D in the law governing stupidity. Keep studying hard!

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:12 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:04 pm My question would be: "Given the horrendous things that are now admitted to have been condoned, allowed, encouraged and even defended, who did that condoning, defending, allowing, encouraging and defending?"Who are these self-declared "good" people who would not let the truth come out? Where are they, in the accounting for all that evil?

By all means, subject the r*pe gangs to the harshest penalties the law can inflict. But the big question is, why didn't that happen right away?

The largest group of grooming-gang pimps are actually native white British men

Oh, I wasn't talking about the pimps. I was asking about the politicians, the police, the media, the Social Justice types...all the forces assembled to muzzle the victims and abuse those who raised questions. The pimps didn't get to do what they did without the enablement of a great deal of the British establishment...of that, we can be quite sure.

Why were the victims who DID complain not believed? Why were their relatives bullied and harassed into silence when they reported the abuse of their loved ones? Why wasn't the British public instantly in an uproar? Where were the so-called journalists, the investigators, and so on?

When do they answer for what they did...or more precisely, what they enabled to continue unchecked?

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:55 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:40 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:28 am
It is statutory rape by the customers but not necessarily by the pimps. It depends on whether the pimp also has sex with the girl. That is not needed for the business model that they use. It is sex with the customer that brings in the money for the drugs for the girl.

You seem to be very 'au fait' on laws regarding the rape of children. How 'surprising'. I guess that's why you choose to live in a muslim country,

For a starters, I don't live in a Muslim-majority country. Secondly, the laws are different in every country.

That's about the worst rejoinder I've ever heard. Are you actually going to defend the Rotherham gangs by claiming that rape is some sort of cultural right, and okay because some country has laws that allow/condone it?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:09 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:55 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:40 am

You seem to be very 'au fait' on laws regarding the rape of children. How 'surprising'. I guess that's why you choose to live in a muslim country,

For a starters, I don't live in a Muslim-majority country. Secondly, the laws are different in every country.

That's about the worst rejoinder I've ever heard. Are you actually going to defend the Rotherham gangs by claiming that rape is some sort of cultural right, and okay because some country has laws that allow/condone it?

What a weird comment of yours!

I was trying to point out that it is the customers who have sex with the girls and not so much the pimps.

The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:17 am The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

Explain.

I know the difference between a "John" and a "pimp." But I see no way you can make the latter importantly "different" from the former. If anything, the pimp is more hideously evil.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:25 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:17 am The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

Explain.

I know the difference between a "John" and a "pimp." But I see no way you can make the latter importantly "different" from the former. If anything, the pimp is more hideously evil.

The john, the pimp, the buyer, the seller, both seem equally loathsome, to me. Both treat others as commodity.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:25 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:17 am The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

Explain.

I know the difference between a "John" and a "pimp." But I see no way you can make the latter importantly "different" from the former. If anything, the pimp is more hideously evil.

There's never any added value to be had in self-righteous virtue signaling.

That is, for example, not going to get you anywhere when discussing a file or a case with law enforcement. These people are dispassionate because they are professionals who handle these cases for a living. You won't get their cooperation if you act like an emotional crybaby.

They are losing the war on drugs and the related war on drugs-fuelled child prostitution, not because law enforcement are not doing their jobs, like the "far right" keeps suggesting, but because the underlying social problems are unsolvable.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:11 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:25 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:17 am The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

Explain.

I know the difference between a "John" and a "pimp." But I see no way you can make the latter importantly "different" from the former. If anything, the pimp is more hideously evil.

There's never any added value to be had in self-righteous virtue signaling.

Who's doing that? Raping children is never virtuous. Nobody needs to "signal" that they know that. Everybody with a moral fiber in his body knows it.

Just explain your case.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:59 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:25 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:17 am The grooming gangs which pimp out the girls engage in a very different type of crime than what the term "rape gangs" suggests.

Explain.

I know the difference between a "John" and a "pimp." But I see no way you can make the latter importantly "different" from the former. If anything, the pimp is more hideously evil.

The john, the pimp, the buyer, the seller, both seem equally loathsome, to me. Both treat others as commodity.

Some johns may be desperate fools who imagine the girls "want to." But the pimps know better. And it's the pimps who lured and then 'broke' the girl first, usually by repeatedly raping and abusing her until she's docile, to make her compliant for johns. And while the john is a fool who loses his money, the pimp is a predator who makes money on the debasement and misery of the innocent. So while both are wicked, I think there's still a case to be made that the pimp is the ultimate vile character in the situation.

But yes, both are treating others as merely recepticles of their abuse.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:17 am Who's doing that? Raping children is never virtuous. Nobody needs to "signal" that they know that. Everybody with a moral fiber in his body knows it.

Just explain your case.

The whole idea that the British police are "doing nothing about it" is complete nonsense. The whole idea that Keir Starmer, the UK prime minister, "is protecting these criminals" is yet another piece of bullshit. All of that is politically-motivated kaka.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:22 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:17 am Who's doing that? Raping children is never virtuous. Nobody needs to "signal" that they know that. Everybody with a moral fiber in his body knows it.

Just explain your case.

The whole idea that the British police are "doing nothing about it" is complete nonsense.

Really? Well, then, explain how they were able to do it, known by their own community (since 1 in 7 was involved -- that means the rest surely knew), and when the victims or their families complained, or when anybody else pointed out the problem, they were shut down and called a "bigot," and bullied into silence...who did that?

And why didn't the police act on what was reported to them? And why are the politicians ONLY NOW, after thousands of girls have been abused, finally ready to make it public?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:20 amI think there's still a case to be made that the pimp is the ultimate vile character in the situation.

Sorry, not buyin' it. That's the kind of where-in-the-hierarchy-of-sin-does-this-guy-go? thinkin', I can't and won't do.

Both buyer and seller of child as commodity: bullets, in the head, cuz that's what you do with rabid dogs, all of 'em, whether they bit someone or not.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:20 amI think there's still a case to be made that the pimp is the ultimate vile character in the situation.

Sorry, not buyin' it. That's the kind of where-in-the-hierarchy-of-sin-does-this-guy-go? thinkin', I can't and won't do.

Both buyer and seller of child as commodity: bullets, in the head, cuz that's what you do with rabid dogs, all of 'em, whether they bit someone or not.

Well, it's not our call. Since there's no human justice in this situation, I'll leave them with the Judge. He doesn't make mistakes.