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promethean75 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:27 pm "Then they moved on to believing in Italian satellites interfering with the votes"

Scene: old chateau balcony high on the coast of Italy. Two hackers (who's affiliation with the Italian government and global deep state will not be mentioned) watch the ballot counting results on their laptops over shots of espresso in tiny little over decorated thimble sized beige ceramic cups that have a story to tell rich with history and culture etc.

Luciano: The orange'a man has 67,000 more than Biden over three counties in Georgia, Antonio. Do we wait?

Antonio: Mama mia! No, jam'a the systems now, Luciano, we are too close!

Luciano: yes my brother. The election results will be perfecto when I am a'done'a.

Darn! It's the Mafia, then? But are the Mafia being directed by aliens from another planet? Or were they acting on their own free will? And were they sober when they made such a terrible decision or was the espresso unknowingly drugged by a deep-state operative? And what about the team of UK Navy seals in Ethiopia who witnessed the native inviting his neighbor over in order to have dinner? Are we still in Kansas or will the officer of the seal team provide tea and crumpets to stave off the hunger of his team as they watch natives have dinner? And will the natives share dinner with the starving soldiers or will the soldier rise up and storm their hut with pitchforks and blazing torches if dinner is not shared with them?

The plot is sickening...errr... I mean thickening!!!

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Yes, I am an unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims.

But: I ain't gloomy, I have no heroes, and I ain't wrong.

So: you, sir, can fuck right off to Happy Time Fuck Town.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:15 pmHenry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).

What social duties, Gary? List them.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:55 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Yes, I am an unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims.

That's OK, Henry. Fortunately, you're a person with just as many rights as anyone else (including gays, and transgender people). If you want to host, "unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims" day, and have a parade, then you are more than welcome!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:07 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:55 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:47 pm

Yes, I am an unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims.

That's OK, Henry. Fortunately, you're a person with just as many rights as anyone else (including gays, and transgender people). If you want to host, "unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims" day, and have a parade, then you are more than welcome!

Yep. Don't need your permission, either.

What social duties, Gary? List them.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:08 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:07 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:55 pm

Yes, I am an unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims.

That's OK, Henry. Fortunately, you're a person with just as many rights as anyone else (including gays, and transgender people). If you want to host, "unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims" day, and have a parade, then you are more than welcome!

Yep. Don't need your permission, either.

What social duties, Gary? List them.

Social duties are not "listable" by one person, they must be agreed to.

Can we abstain from using "orange hand grenades" in public? Or should we allow their use?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:15 pmHenry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).

What social duties, Gary? List them.

Oooh. Now I'm really intrigued.

Yes, what "duties," Gary? I would love to know what you think your society (and every individual in it, presumably) owes you. I'd also love to know why you think they owe you more than life, liberty and property....and freedom of conscience and belief, of course.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:15 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:08 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:07 pm

That's OK, Henry. Fortunately, you're a person with just as many rights as anyone else (including gays, and transgender people). If you want to host, "unruly, government-hatin', tin foil hat wearin', natural rights promotin', conspiracy-minded, ORANGE HAND GRENADE usin', paranoid, eleutheromaniac with little to no recognized evidence to back my wild claims" day, and have a parade, then you are more than welcome!

Yep. Don't need your permission, either.

What social duties, Gary? List them.

Social duties are not "listable" by one person, they must be agreed to.

Can we abstain from using "orange hand grenades" in public? Or should we allow their use?

*sigh*

Please, list the current, agreed upon, duties of an American in American society.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:19 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:15 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:08 pm

Yep. Don't need your permission, either.

What social duties, Gary? List them.

Social duties are not "listable" by one person, they must be agreed to.

Can we abstain from using "orange hand grenades" in public? Or should we allow their use?

*sigh*

Please, list the current, agreed upon, duties of an American in American society.

I cannot do that without consent from my fellow Americans. In the meantime, we do have laws that must be abided by at threat of punishment. You can look them up if you want.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:18 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:03 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:15 pmHenry doesn't want anyone to inconvenience him over having any sort of duty to society other than to protect his property (which his body is also apparently a part of).

What social duties, Gary? List them.

Oooh. Now I'm really intrigued.

Yes, what "duties," Gary? I would love to know what you think your society (and every individual in it, presumably) owes you. I'd also love to know why you think they owe you more than life, liberty and property....and freedom of conscience and belief, of course.

I think when he talks duties he means what the individual owes society. That's how I took it. Half a dozen of one, six of the other, I guess.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:18 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:03 pm
What social duties, Gary? List them.

Oooh. Now I'm really intrigued.

Yes, what "duties," Gary? I would love to know what you think your society (and every individual in it, presumably) owes you. I'd also love to know why you think they owe you more than life, liberty and property....and freedom of conscience and belief, of course.

I think when he talks duties he means what the individual owes society. That's how I took it. Half a dozen of one, six of the other, I guess.

Oh, I put that ambiguously. Sorry.

By "you," I meant a plural -- Gary and his pro-Socialist buddies -- what they think we free individuals owe to them, that we're keeping from them.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:21 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:19 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:15 pm

Social duties are not "listable" by one person, they must be agreed to.

Can we abstain from using "orange hand grenades" in public? Or should we allow their use?

*sigh*

Please, list the current, agreed upon, duties of an American in American society.

I cannot do that without consent from my fellow Americans. In the meantime, we do have laws that must be abided by at threat of punishment. You can look them up if you want.

Then: there are no duties.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:26 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:21 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:19 pm

*sigh*

Please, list the current, agreed upon, duties of an American in American society.

I cannot do that without consent from my fellow Americans. In the meantime, we do have laws that must be abided by at threat of punishment. You can look them up if you want.

Then: there are no duties.

OK. OK. Can we have at least a few duties if we allow the use of "orange hand grenades" in public?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:27 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:26 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:21 pm

I cannot do that without consent from my fellow Americans. In the meantime, we do have laws that must be abided by at threat of punishment. You can look them up if you want.

Then: there are no duties.

OK. OK. Can we have at least a few duties if we allow the use of "orange hand grenades" in public?

You can do as you like. My permission is not required. Conditions are not required. Be as good a serf as you can...

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:30 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:27 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 5:26 pm

Then: there are no duties.

OK. OK. Can we have at least a few duties if we allow the use of "orange hand grenades" in public?

You can do as you like. My permission is not required. Conditions are not required. Be as good a serf as you can...

But I don't want to be your serf, Henry. I'd like to be a free man. Please put down the "orange hand grenade", I beg you...