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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:44 pmLive in it since you're only a minuscule fraction of the cosmic calendar and the whole human race long gone before the end sets in. Even if the universe subsists forever that doesn't mean that anything within must be equal to it. If everything existing is limited what difference does it make if its container is of a much longer duration but also limited?

Is it possible you’ve missed the point?

This view, this description, is actually arbitrary (I mean the picture presented by the writer of the article and those who see similarly). It refers to and presents a view that seems final. An explanation that is final. Ultimate. (It is, I think, less Iambiguous’s and really more yours).

I would suggest that A VIEW, like, for example, 'The Universe ends', is ACTUALLY A 'final view', and does NOT SEEM like a 'final view' AT ALL.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 am
Whatever is stated there — that is your metaphysics. It determines a great deal.

So sure, I get why with it stated and clarified, that then you move naturally to ethical propositions: “Live in it since you're only a minuscule fraction of the cosmic calendar”.

LOL one had NO CHOICE BUT TO 'live in It'.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 am That says something while also saying nothing.

'you' DO DO the latter A LOT OF here "alexis jacobi".

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 am Is it possible you’ve missed the point?

...that's always a possibility! I can only read what you wrote.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 amWhatever is stated there — that is your metaphysics. It determines a great deal.

...nothing metaphysical about it. Why must everything about you be so metaphysical?

It's very simple. When you're dead it's as if you were never even alive so why worry about how the universe is going to end.

Who knows! Maybe we'll move to another one!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:27 amSo sure, I get why with it stated and clarified, that then you move naturally to ethical propositions: “Live in it since you're only a minuscule fraction of the cosmic calendar”.

That says something while also saying nothing.

I learn from the best!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 12:15 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:18 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 7:14 pm Uh-oh, Age! Better watch it!

What makes you think you're so different? The fact is that intelligence need not be DNA based. That brings into play a considerable number of factors with the potential to create it.

What makes you think that I think I’m different?

Soaring metaphysical height? The All Seeing eye?

I denounce metaphysics - which you should know by now - but I'll go for the All-Seeing eye at least on a local basis!

So, thank you!

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:05 amLOL INSTEAD of 'irony' and/or 'mockery' WHY do you NOT JUST communicate what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that is; IF you REALLY did want to communicate some 'thing'?

Art, m’boy, art.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:40 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:05 amLOL INSTEAD of 'irony' and/or 'mockery' WHY do you NOT JUST communicate what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that is; IF you REALLY did want to communicate some 'thing'?

Art, m’boy, art.

If 'this' is what you REALLY want to communicate here, then do NOT be so surprised that you can NOT find NOR to get AGREEMENT.

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:45 am…then do NOT be so surprised that you can NOT find NOR to get AGREEMENT.

You ‘get’ bananas and soda-pop and Pop Tarts at the supermarket. You grab them off the shelves.

“Agreement” in the sense I mean is not a ‘cosa’ or an item as if it is set out with an advertising banner and an arrow pointing to it.

Your phrasing indicates misperception.

True, this and anything else I’d say will only and can only stimulate and provoke you to triple and quadruple the ‘performance’ you engage in.

All efforts result in impasse.

This loops back around to irony and mockery as “artful tools”.

Etc etc etc …. and ad infinitum.

Forget you read this! Drop it. Don’t say anything.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:40 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:05 amLOL INSTEAD of 'irony' and/or 'mockery' WHY do you NOT JUST communicate what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that is; IF you REALLY did want to communicate some 'thing'?

Art, m’boy, art.

And, of course, irony can communicate things, given it double nature, that are not communicated without irony.

Whenever I read a lengthy Age response, I feel LIKE my EYES are GOING on a ROLLER coaster.

I have discovered a tool to DEFEAT Age:

https://decapitalize.eu/

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:45 am…then do NOT be so surprised that you can NOT find NOR to get AGREEMENT.

You ‘get’ bananas and soda-pop and Pop Tarts at the supermarket. You grab them off the shelves.

“Agreement” in the sense I mean is not a ‘cosa’ or an item as if it is set out with an advertising banner and an arrow pointing to it.

I KNOW. The 'agreement' you are talking ABOUT WILL NOT, as I just POINTED OUT and SHOWED, be OBTAINED WITH you BECAUSE of the way that you communicate and express your BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:43 am Your phrasing indicates misperception.

SO, Correct 'it'.

By the way, the ONLY 'thing' I PHRASED here, in regards to what you are replying to here, was;
If 'this' is what you REALLY want to communicate here, then do NOT be so surprised that you can NOT find NOR to get AGREEMENT.


So, WHERE EXACTLY are 'the words', which, to you, indicate 'misperception' here?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:43 am True, this and anything else I’d say will only and can only stimulate and provoke you to triple and quadruple the ‘performance’ you engage in.

All efforts result in impasse.

This loops back around to irony and mockery as “artful tools”.

Etc etc etc …. and ad infinitum.

Forget you read this! Drop it. Don’t say anything.

Okay, I WILL JUST LAUGH and LAUGH, INSTEAD.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:32 am Whenever I read a lengthy Age response, I feel LIKE my EYES are GOING on a ROLLER coaster.

WHY do so MANY of 'you', human beings, find just reading SOME words that are just emphasized in and with capital letters so TROUBLESOME?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 8:38 am I have discovered a tool to DEFEAT Age:

https://decapitalize.eu/

This might come in VERY HANDY for those who ARE SO TROUBLED here.

But what do you mean by 'DEFEAT' here?

There is absolutely NOTHING I SAY NOR CLAIM here that is IN BATTLE, NOR TO BE CONTESTED.

If some 'thing' I SAY or CLAIM is just False, Wrong, or Incorrect, or partly False, Wrong, or Incorrect, then just POINT 'this' or 'them' OUT, and just SHOW what IS ACTUALLY True, what IS ACTUALLY Right, and/or what IS ACTUALLY Correct. There is REALLY NOTHING AT ALL 'hard' NOR 'complex' about just DOING 'this', right?

ALSO, just CHANGING the ACTUAL WORDS that I WRITE, in the ACTUAL WAY I WRITE 'them', just MEANS part of the ACTUAL MEANING can be FURTHER LOST or MISSED than 'it' IS ALREADY BEING.

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:03 amWHY do so MANY of 'you', human beings, find just reading SOME words that are just emphasized in and with capital letters so TROUBLESOME?

Your style of writing and grammar smacks of Autism, Asperger Syndrome, or another type of Anti-Social trait. Most people develop literacy skills in coherence with their society. Because your style is so abrasive, it seems offensive or insulting to the layman. People don't like others breaking the 'unspoken' rules of society.

This includes language and literacy. At a certain level beyond conformity, anti-social behavior is not tolerated.

I, personally, am willing to overlook poor style in favor of content. But most others will not do this, or, have a short tolerance/patience for flamboyance.

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:09 amThis might come in VERY HANDY for those who ARE SO TROUBLED here.

But what do you mean by 'DEFEAT' here?

There is absolutely NOTHING I SAY NOR CLAIM here that is IN BATTLE, NOR TO BE CONTESTED.

My perspective tends to see things as conflicted or contested.

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:09 amIf some 'thing' I SAY or CLAIM is just False, Wrong, or Incorrect, or partly False, Wrong, or Incorrect, then just POINT 'this' or 'them' OUT, and just SHOW what IS ACTUALLY True, what IS ACTUALLY Right, and/or what IS ACTUALLY Correct. There is REALLY NOTHING AT ALL 'hard' NOR 'complex' about just DOING 'this', right?

ALSO, just CHANGING the ACTUAL WORDS that I WRITE, in the ACTUAL WAY I WRITE 'them', just MEANS part of the ACTUAL MEANING can be FURTHER LOST or MISSED than 'it' IS ALREADY BEING.

A lesson I've learned in life:

Often it doesn't matter how Right or True you are,
The masses of people will reject you outright if your style does not compliment them.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:03 amWHY do so MANY of 'you', human beings, find just reading SOME words that are just emphasized in and with capital letters so TROUBLESOME?

Your style of writing and grammar smacks of Autism, Asperger Syndrome, or another type of Anti-Social trait.

SO WHAT?

If THE ACTUAL WORDS ARE False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect, then just SHOW WHERE and WHY.

Now, if you do NOT like MY WRITING STYLE, then so be it. NO one cares, but 'you'.

However, if MY GRAMMAR is NOT Right or NOT up to YOUR STANDARD, then either Correct MY GRAMMAR OR EXPLAIN TO me HOW TO Correct 'it'.

I have ALREADY EXPLAINED a few times now that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO communicate with 'you', human beings, BETTER.

Also, and by the way, HOW, EXACTLY, is 'autism' or 'aspergers syndrome' are supposed and alleged so-called 'anti-social trait'?

AND, if you do NOT ANSWER this QUESTION, the this is the STRONGEST example of having a REAL and True ANTI-SOCIAL trait.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am Most people develop literacy skills in coherence with their society.

Name just ONE example of MY LACK OF LITERACY SKILLS here.

From what I AM FINDING OUT here quite a LOT of 'you' here are having TROUBLE just HEARING and READING what I ACTUALLY SAY and WRITE here. Which, by all accounts, is a SURE SIGN of LACKING the ability to just READ. Or, what some might SAY is NOT YET having developed literacy skills in coherence with "their" so-called 'society'.

If you do NOT list ANY examples of MY, ALLEGED and SUPPOSED, 'lack of literacy skills', then shall we take 'this' as YOUR 'lack of literacy skills', YOUR 'anti-social trait', or MY INABILITY to communicate with a human being like 'you' "wizard22"? Or, some 'thing' ELSE?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am Because your style is so abrasive, it seems offensive or insulting to the layman.

What do you MEAN by 'so abrasive'?

Do you MEAN some 'thing' like, 'to Honest', 'to straightforward', 'to frank', or 'to some 'thing' ELSE'? Or, some OTHER 'thing'?

Also, what do you MEAN by 'layman' here? What is 'this' in reference TO, EXACTLY?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am People don't like others breaking the 'unspoken' rules of society.

AND, what ARE some of these so-called 'unspoken rules' of 'society', and WHICH 'society' are you REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am This includes language and literacy. At a certain level beyond conformity, anti-social behavior is not tolerated.

But the Truly ANTI-SOCIAL misbehaving that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, PARTAKE IN, in the days when this is being written, is ABSOLUTELY TOLERATED, correct?

I, personally, am willing to overlook poor style in favor of content. [/quote]

I AM WILLING TO OVERLOOK AT ALL of the LIES, DECEPTION, DISHONESTY, and CLOSEDNESS, in favor of Truth, Honesty, CURIOSITY, OPENNESS, and a SERIOUS Want TO CHANGE, for the BETTER.

BUT, REALLY, WHO CARES?

ALSO, HOW COME you do NOT OVERLOOK YOUR OWN POOR STYLE in FAVOR OF PROVIDING ACTUAL CONTENT?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 10:21 am But most others will not do this, or, have a short tolerance/patience for flamboyance.

AGAIN, WHO Truly CARES?

I CERTAINLY DO NOT.