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Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:49 pm In any case, in general heterosexual non Christians don't see homosexuality as a terrible deviancy, like you, they see homosexuality as fundamentally morally the same as heterosexuality. I don't choose to be straight, they don't choose to be gay, I have sex with consenting members of the opposite sex, they have sex with consenting members of the same sex. Outside of religious reasons for being disgusted by homosexuality, there doesn't seem to be, for the bulk of us, an ethical reason to think of homosexuality in the terms that you do.

There's the occasional atheist homophobe out there, and their opinion about it is mostly just rooted in the idea that they think it's gross. But thinking something is gross is no reason to make it illegal or dehumanise the people that like it. I think olives and mushrooms are gross, but I don't have any desire to make them illegal for people that like them. Most non religious people think similar to how I do about that.

So no, if you are indeed Christian, then I think it's more than likely that your distaste for homosexuality is probably very closely related to your religious background. I don't think it's a coincidence that a homophobe comes from a homophobic religion.

Abstract

Using the zero-inflated model and nationally representative sample data from the Chinese General Social Surveys 2013, this study systematically explored the effects of religion, modernizing factors, and traditional culture on attitudes toward homosexuality in China. The findings indicate that most Chinese people generally hold conservative attitudes toward homosexuality, as approximately 78.53% of the respondents believed that "same-sex sexual behavior is always wrong." Modernizing factors (i.e., education, exposure to Internet information, and liberal inclinations) predicted greater tolerance for homosexuality, whereas Islamic beliefs negatively influenced respondents' attitudes toward homosexuality. In contrast to the findings of the existing literature, Christian beliefs and traditional culture did not have significant effects on attitudes toward homosexuality. These findings may contribute to the literature by not only quantitatively testing the applicability of several factors identified in most Western studies of this topic but also providing new knowledge of attitudes toward homosexuality in the social context of China.

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:12 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:31 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:26 pm I have no values. I'm immoral you know that!

Fair enough. But you can't compete with me so why even try?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:10 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:24 pmMaybe the rise in bigotry is environmental?

My thought is that the term ‘bigot’ is simply a negative space-filler for an argument that is not forthcoming.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:28 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:26 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 1:22 pm
Contextually, that's what was happening. Sculptor was replying to someone who was saying homosexuals need to go back into the closet. You were vehemently disagreeing with sculptors reply, saying nobody's trying to impose anything, meaning you're defending the "go back into the closet" comment - ostensibly you're saying the go back into the closet comment wasn't about imposing anything.

Is that what you intended to do?

So now I'm responsible for someone else's comments? Get fucked.

No, you're responsible for what you said. Someone else says gays should go back into the closet, sculptor disagrees with them, you disagree with sculptor. You're responsible for that. If you disagree with sculptor, who is only disagreeing that gay people need to go back into the closet, as far as I can tell that means you agree gay people need to go back into the closet. Or at the very least you're arguing that it's not imposing to tell gay people to go back into the closet, or whatever else that guy is suggesting.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:37 pmThe thread's not even about gays anyway and I'm not going back over their tedious comments to find where gays were first brought into it.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:07 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:37 pmThe thread's not even about gays anyway and I'm not going back over their tedious comments to find where gays were first brought into it.

Unless I am mistaken it was my reference to the book After The Ball. An engineered cultural shift which, in my view, has blossomed in our present. I proposed the term ‘deviance’ to refer to deviance from a norm or standard.

Additionally, I said that homosexuality (and I must include other forms of deviance here) must be tolerated but discouraged. The position I define is rational and not extremist.

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:39 pm ok, how about this... what exactly is the difference
between dressing up for Halloween and dressing up as
a drag queen? I can't see any difference at all..

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:41 pm
Why should homosexuality be 'discouraged' and how? Who is going to do this 'discouraging'? How will they go about this?

seeds wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 11:53 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:39 pm ok, how about this... what exactly is the difference
between dressing up for Halloween and dressing up as
a drag queen? I can't see any difference at all..

Let me ask you, what if these guys...







...wanted to come to elementary schools and libraries to read stories to children in order to show 5-year-olds that grown men afflicted with the psychopathology of Infantilism are nothing but ordinary joes who simply like to dress up as babies, suck on baby bottles, and crap in their diapers.

In which case, will you also defend their desire to access our kids in the same way you defend the drag queens?

Or how about this...

Why not let a school or public library function as a kind of kiddie "job fair" venue with multiple booths where drag queens, nudists, adult infants, flashers, men with foot fetishes, etc., etc., can don their preferred costumes and demonstrate to the kids all of the wonderful options that await them when they get older?
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