iambiguous wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:31 pm
Well, one either reacts positively or negatively to her life and death. Or one reacts with ambivalence. Or one couldn't care less about it either way.
But: since there are any number of objectivists among us who insist that there is in fact a rational manner in which to react -- the way they do -- no reaction from others is not political to them.
Well, not for me. Yes, some might see my reactions as political, and I see some reactions as political. But others don't seem political to me. I don't see indifference as political, for example. Nor some of the amused reactions.
Is there a reason to let objectivists determine what something is?
In my view, Heidegger's Dasein is largely an intellectual contraption. That's why it it always capitalized. Like Being.
OK, I appreciate the explanation of your version. I find it incredibly hard to imagine
Me, I take da-sein to mean "existing there" out in a particular world and not "existing here" out in differing particular world? Now and not then or in the future. How does that impact existentially on how you come to view your "self" out in that world? And what is instead true for all of us?
as anything other than an intellectual contraption. In a neutral use of that term. A somewhat complicated very abstract concept.
which is expanded on here.
From him I took the idea of each individual being "thrown" adventitiously at birth into a particular time and place. And because they are born and bred in one particular historical, cultural and experiential juncture rather than another, this can have a profound impact on how they come to construe "reality" in terms of both their identity and their value judgments.
I don't see any problem with using intellectual contraptions, but it seems you use the term perjoratively, including regarding Heidegger's Dasein.
But, in any case, I have a much better idea about what you mean by the little case version.
What difference does it really make what you call it
All I said was that it was not political for me. If that isn't important, it would have been easy to simply concede the point.
when the most important point is that our reaction to it is a profoundly problematic reflection of the existential parameters of the life we lived rather than something that can be pinned down with any precision philosophically.
It's important to me to not see everything as political. I'd prefer it if people stopped labelling everything political, when not all of it is. This is part of the current zeitgeist, seeing everything as a political issue, then determining rapidly if your taste or preference or reaction puts you on 'my team' or 'the other team' and then trying to smash the person or consider yourself one with them. I realize conflicts and conflicts around values, morals and preferences are, so far, inevitable. But I see no reason to view all reactions as political. Look at the idiotic online war going on about the new Lord of the Ring series. Not everything is so damn important, some things are tastes and preferences, even for objectivists. Or, well, they used to be.
Now if I don't like that series I must be a homophobics racist who votes for Trump to many. Now, I know you didn't weigh in this way and are interested in the issue at a meta-level.
But, for me it is important not to label things that are not political, political.
The above statement you made is actually....
the most important point FOR ME is that our reaction to it is a profoundly problematic reflection of the existential parameters of the life we lived rather than something that can be pinned down with any precision philosophicall
but ironically in a post part of a criticism of objectivism you framed it in objectivist terms. How could I focus on some trivia instead of the most important thing?
Perhaps I focused on something important to me.
And just to be clear. I am not saying that her death are NOT political. Not am I saying that for many others it is not political. It's just not for me and not necessarily so for others. And my reaction, here, was not political. Further, I wouldn't even be able to guess what political difference her death will make. Some may be able to but not me. So, how her death will affect any political prefereces I have, I have no idea.