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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:19 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

No, only you can allow yourself to be bent over.

However, when it comes to humanity as a collective whole, we are all fucked when just one single solitary person decides to go a bit crazy..if you know what I mean.. we all going down on the same sinking ship, here there are no lifeboats to save you, only you can save you, but first you have to die, not literally, but ...that's another story you might not be interested in anyway.

Well you've expressed how you feel about yourself in numerous occasions, and that does not include people who have listened to that view point. Since you are not in the habit of coming halfway, you are basically on your own, maybe this crazy guy will join you?

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:17 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:06 pm
Ok, fine, you've had your say, and I accept it to be your truth, the whole truth and nothing but your truth.

I have no objection to your truth.

I'm not really sure I understand your truth, but to be honest, I do not care about your truth.

Right now, all I care about is Roy's truth, which is also mine.

Well I just hope Roy realises how lucky he is to have you on his side.

To me, there are no sides..we all bleed the same red blood. We all breathe the same air, we just see the world view through the lens of our own perception that's all. And that's ok...I'm ok with people who are ok with me, if not, then it's bye bye.

I have no issue with you, because you are only having your say, as we all are...this thread topic encourages discussion which always involves two or more people. That's what debates between many people are for, they invite each of us to get our personal points across to everyone involved in the discussion... and not just the author of the thread.

I personally think philosophy is deluded. And my job is to philosphize why philosophy is delusional.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:22 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:19 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

No, only you can allow yourself to be bent over.

However, when it comes to humanity as a collective whole, we are all fucked when just one single solitary person decides to go a bit crazy..if you know what I mean.. we all going down on the same sinking ship, here there are no lifeboats to save you, only you can save you, but first you have to die, not literally, but ...that's another story you might not be interested in anyway.

Well you've expressed how you feel about yourself in numerous occasions, and that does not include people who have listened to that view point. Since you are not in the habit of coming halfway, you are basically on your own, maybe this crazy guy will join you?

Well, I have tried to get to know you, thinking you were a really intelligent smart person with a good handle on knowing the nature of reality, you have a good knowledge of stuff...but I have discovered a very cold heart in you, and so you are not welcome in my heart.. my house so to speak, so I am kicking you out the backdoor, because I have decided I do not like your vibe, it's very harsh and chilling, and on that note, all I can say is that I will not be engaging in any more conversations with you from now on. I am dimissing you with immediate effect, goodbye.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:37 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:22 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:19 pm

No, only you can allow yourself to be bent over.

However, when it comes to humanity as a collective whole, we are all fucked when just one single solitary person decides to go a bit crazy..if you know what I mean.. we all going down on the same sinking ship, here there are no lifeboats to save you, only you can save you, but first you have to die, not literally, but ...that's another story you might not be interested in anyway.

Well you've expressed how you feel about yourself in numerous occasions, and that does not include people who have listened to that view point. Since you are not in the habit of coming halfway, you are basically on your own, maybe this crazy guy will join you?

Well, I have tried to get to know you, thinking you were a really intelligent smart person with a good handle on knowing the nature of reality, you have a good knowledge of stuff...but I have discovered a very cold heart in you, and so you are not welcome in my heart.. my house so to speak, so I am kicking you out the backdoor, because I have decided I do not like your vibe, it's very harsh and chilling, and on that note, all I can say is that I will not be engaging in any more conversations with you from now on. I am dimissing you with immediate effect, goodbye.

lol
I already had this line of thinking about you since you have decided that you hate life.
Just look back at what you have been saying over the last week.
So fine eject me and wallow in your own mire, because that is what you want. It is always easier to be a victim that to try and live.

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:44 pm
2. Why is humanity headed toward hell? There's something incorrect about human consciousness at the most fundamental level. And I have presented it directly, succinctly and clearly, but due to the very state of delusion human consciousness is in, ya'll can't even SEE it! It's exactly like trying to deprogram a cult follower, but in this case EVERYONE (99.99% ish) is in the cult.

People will only see it when they have had enough of all the hurting.

Until then, they will continue to hurt each other. We can see that in the world all the time, and it's getting worse.

I do not think anything will change for humanity, they are the most selfish species on the planet, they take more than they need because of want want want. Not at all like the none verbal animals among us who only take what they need, and do not want more once their needs are satisfied..

Humanity is doomed that's for sure, I'll just be glad when they all put themselves out of their misery, which will happen eventually, that's if they are not too selfish to even die.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:44 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 pm

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

That's hilarious! If philosophers have been so wise in the past then why is humanity so completely fucked?

Not exactly a meaningful observation.
What sort of "thing" is being completely "fucked"?
Is that nothing at all.

The world has been evolving through fucking for billions of years, and all the evidence points to more interesting, more intelligent and more self reflective creatures living on the planet, and the most of all these may be reasonably argued to be human,
We live longer, inhabit regions inhospitable to the coldest loving animals and regions inhospitable to the hottest loving animals. We can descend the depth of the sea and fly in he air. We've even been known to leave the earth completely (or do you think Neil Armstrong et al were fakers?). We've even created out own virtual worlds. and have mapped the universe. We can even see the ecologies of the microscopic world.
So what, exactly do you mean fucked?
We've never been so successful as right now
But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

Yup, you're completely delusional.

In a year from now, maybe 5, you will be in the middle of hell and maybe you will remember this:

There is always a infinite sea of peace and contentment in/as the state of thought free awareness.

But if you don't work at getting there you won't be able to get there when the suffering arises.

I wish you well.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:12 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:38 pm I experience next to no suffering or anxiety, and spend most of my time in/as Absolute (not dependent upon circumstances) Happiness.

Dear roydop,

At the end of the day, this is wonderful news! I think the proof that one has found the way that’s right for oneself, is that it works; no?

If your perspective has resulted in a greater sense of peace, trust and contentment, from which you can approach life and those you come across with more patience, compassion and humility, you have the means to spread harmony and inspire to small (but very meaningful) changes in your interactions.

I would only add that one does well to remind oneself that different people will have different ways to get to this state of mind and that not all ways suit everyone.

Feel blessed and be grateful that you have found the perfect way for you!


Humbly
Hermit

Thanks

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:49 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:36 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:33 am

No rebuttal needed since nothing is here to rebut. You have to have made a case. What you seem to have is a series of unsubstantiated and confused ramblings; self contradictory, vague and diffuse.

Yes, the part where I delved into the actual meanings of the words "thing" and "nothing" is indeed self-contradictory, vague and diffuse.

However, the triune system that was presented is anything but all of that.

AH. You mean "that"? That thing, which is no thing, and nothing. You are a thing which is also a no nothing, nothing.

Yeah, none of the "thing"/"nothing" model makes sense, and yet everyone just accepts it

Cult

Delusion

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:04 pm I do not SUFFER my suffering....does that make sense ?

I understand that, yes. I don't know whether it applies to you or not. What you say about yourself and your experiences and if you are serious or not or interested or not shifts and contradicts itself so often that
well,
I don't know what you mean or if you mean it. I am sure the process may be useful for you or serve some purpose.

Suffering arises, but I understand it's presence will be temporal and not a permanent presence ... I understand suffering to be part of being alive...but I do not suffer my suffering, I allow it to be there, knowing it will pass, like that saying...this too will pass.

OK, it seemed like you thought it was permanent before, but now when this is pointed out you don't think that.

Hope that clears that up, if not...I do not care.

You put a lot of effort and words into things that do not interest you and you do not care about.

You don't sound in the slightest like Roy when you describe yourselves or your lives, though now you have changed the way you present yourself and it sounds a bit more like Roy.

I do believe that you and Roy believe similar things. From what you have said sometimes and from his videos. I see the similarities. But in your experiences of life, almost nothing in common.

But you have told me that you often are not posting seriously and also that you just post whatever comes into your mind. Which means you don't really have to take responsibiliy for anything you say and can change your mind whenever. Perhaps that's a good thing for you.

But you're right, checking in in two weeks would be pointless. Since nothing you say means what it means or may not, since it may not be serious...or it may just be a passing thought that you have no investment in, expecting a meaningful answer is a crap shoot.

Earlier you said more or less that I started it between us, that you respond to the negative with the negative. That wasn't my experience. I experienced you being, eventually, quite condescending, for quite a while, and I got surly. Later I learned a couple of things about your posting. That you just throw out anything passing through your mind and that much of what you write you don't mean to be taken seriously. I suppose if I'd known that in the beginning I wouldn't have taken you seriously when you were condescendng or contradicted yourself when it seemed convenient. Now I know better. WE got along very well through a number of threads. Though perhaps that was just luck. Things said non-seriously on your part fit with things I was saying and vice versa.

If your happy with life now and with Rob's ideas, well how pleasant. I do want people to be where they feel best. Even if it is not a best I am seeking. my gut sense is that's better for all living beings.

If you want to replace all this with 'blah', I won't pretend I wouldn't care if I took that blah seriously. I don't like it when people repeatedly present themseves as one thing but actually are feeling quite differently from their presentation. But that's taking you seriously and I no longer do.

I may respond now and then, but mostly as a mirror. IOW I also may or may not mean what I say and what I say may just be passing through my mind and have no relevance at any other time. In fact I've been doing it (with you) for a while. When in Rome and all that....

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:34 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:44 pm

That's hilarious! If philosophers have been so wise in the past then why is humanity so completely fucked?

Not exactly a meaningful observation.
What sort of "thing" is being completely "fucked"?
Is that nothing at all.

The world has been evolving through fucking for billions of years, and all the evidence points to more interesting, more intelligent and more self reflective creatures living on the planet, and the most of all these may be reasonably argued to be human,
We live longer, inhabit regions inhospitable to the coldest loving animals and regions inhospitable to the hottest loving animals. We can descend the depth of the sea and fly in he air. We've even been known to leave the earth completely (or do you think Neil Armstrong et al were fakers?). We've even created out own virtual worlds. and have mapped the universe. We can even see the ecologies of the microscopic world.
So what, exactly do you mean fucked?
We've never been so successful as right now
But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

Yup, you're completely delusional.

In a year from now, maybe 5, you will be in the middle of hell and maybe you will remember this:

There is always a infinite sea of peace and contentment in/as the state of thought free awareness.

But if you don't work at getting there you won't be able to get there when the suffering arises.

I wish you well.

What more hell than 1941?
More hell than the average peasant in the Middle Ages?
Let's face it you'd not even be able to spread your poison without the Internet. That's now.

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:01 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:49 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:36 pm

Yes, the part where I delved into the actual meanings of the words "thing" and "nothing" is indeed self-contradictory, vague and diffuse.

However, the triune system that was presented is anything but all of that.

AH. You mean "that"? That thing, which is no thing, and nothing. You are a thing which is also a no nothing, nothing.

Yeah, none of the "thing"/"nothing" model makes sense, and yet everyone just accepts it

Cult

Delusion

Yes you are delusional, no doubt

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:26 pm

roydop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:34 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:55 pm
Not exactly a meaningful observation.
What sort of "thing" is being completely "fucked"?
Is that nothing at all.

The world has been evolving through fucking for billions of years, and all the evidence points to more interesting, more intelligent and more self reflective creatures living on the planet, and the most of all these may be reasonably argued to be human,
We live longer, inhabit regions inhospitable to the coldest loving animals and regions inhospitable to the hottest loving animals. We can descend the depth of the sea and fly in he air. We've even been known to leave the earth completely (or do you think Neil Armstrong et al were fakers?). We've even created out own virtual worlds. and have mapped the universe. We can even see the ecologies of the microscopic world.
So what, exactly do you mean fucked?
We've never been so successful as right now
But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

Yup, you're completely delusional.

In a year from now, maybe 5, you will be in the middle of hell and maybe you will remember this:

There is always a infinite sea of peace and contentment in/as the state of thought free awareness.

But if you don't work at getting there you won't be able to get there when the suffering arises.

I wish you well.

What more hell than 1941?
More hell than the average peasant in the Middle Ages?
Let's face it you'd not even be able to spread your poison without the Internet. That's now.

Yup, more hell than anything else. That's what extinction is and that's where humanity is headed.

The irony of the statement: "Let's face it you'd not even be able to spread your poison without the Internet. That's now." is that I am offering the direct path to the end of all suffering and you take it as an attack. I have found the direct route to Absolute Happiness, not just comfortably numb; real, genuine happiness.

As I said, I wish you well.

Goodbye.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:51 pm What you say about yourself and your experiences and if you are serious or not or interested or not shifts and contradicts itself so often that
well,
I don't know what you mean or if you mean it. I am sure the process may be useful for you or serve some purpose.

You do not need to know what I mean. All you can do is listen and make up your own mind and interpret what you are hearing to mean whatever you think it means..as for me, I do not care what you think it means, because I am the one who has to look after my mental health, that's my job.

I do not allow anything to fester in me, I let it all out/ even if that means screaming from the roof tops, I just have to let it out... allow everything to go, allow it it's freedom so to speak, then I feel much better, it's like lancing a boil full of puss and blood that's been building and building, waiting for that critical pressure point to arise until it blows it's top like a raging volcano. The relief from the release of pressure, is bliss, yes, it's good to lance. I always make sure I give my body a good lancing now and again.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:51 pmYou put a lot of effort and words into things that do not interest you and you do not care about.

I put a lot of effort into everything I do, and yes, especially when it comes to writing, I love writing, I always got top marks in the subject of ''English'' at school. I used to love writing essays, and poems. I could write millions of books, and become very wealthy if I wanted to, but I do not like the idea of selling ice to an eskimo, so I haven't bothered writing books.

I care only when I want to care. I have interest only when I want to have interest. But mostly, I do not care about anything, or have any interest in anything, except when I do...and when I do, is when I do, else I do not...I never pressure myself into anything, if caring and interest arises in me, then that's what's happening...mostly, I don't care of have any interest in life.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:32 am You do not need to know what I mean. All you can do is listen and make up your own mind and interpret what you are hearing to mean whatever you think it means..as for me, I do not care what you think it means, because I am the one who has to look after my mental health, that's my job.

Oh Goodness, I do not consider your mental healthy my job, nor mine yours.

I do not allow anything to fester in me, I let it all out/ even if that means screaming from the roof tops,

Me too, and literally. My wife also.

I just have to let it out... allow everything to go, allow it it's freedom so to speak, then I feel much better, it's like lancing a boil full of puss and blood that's been building and building, waiting for that critical pressure point to arise until it blows it's top like a raging volcano.

Well, yes, for me as well, though I have been getting better at not waiting until the pussy boil stage.

I put a lot of effort into everything I do, and yes, especially when it comes to writing, I love writing, I always got top marks in the subject of ''English'' at school. I used to love writing essays, and poems. I could write millions of books, and become very wealthy if I wanted to, but I do not like the idea of selling ice to an eskimo, so I haven't bothered writing books.

I've written some books. But I prefer more spontaneous, social art.

I care only when I want to care. I have interest only when I want to have interest. But mostly, I do not care about anything, or have any interest in anything, except when I do...and when I do, is when I do, else I do not...I never pressure myself into anything, if caring and interest arises in me, then that's what's happening...mostly, I don't care of have any interest in life.

Well, we're different here.

And speaking of which, I'm heading out to the woods. Have a good friday.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:51 pm
Earlier you said more or less that I started it between us, that you respond to the negative with the negative. That wasn't my experience. I experienced you being, eventually, quite condescending, for quite a while, and I got surly.

It's more to do with the fact that we just wasn't really vibing, and so we were both picking up bad energies. I am very sensitive to energies, I have a strong intution about certain energies. You say you were experiencing me as being a condescending character, and I have picked up on that. But that's not your fault, you were just responding in kind

The problem is me, it is that I do not trust human beings as far as I can throw them. I am a really nice, caring and loving person, I wouldn't hurt a fly. But everyone I have ever known, have taken advantage of my loving nature, and they have trampled all over me, and they have lied and lied and lied to me. The only people who have treated me with respect are my own children. Everyone else in my life has been fake...including my own brother.

Now, I do not trust people and tend to avoid them like plague. But here at this forum, my only mission in life now, is to get the truth out there, why, because I'm a loving person and I want to do something really positive in the world, I want to be the 'poster child' for on how to be the most successful, loving, happy and contented being, living in a world that is totally nuts. . I want to be a super role model on how easy it is to live without ever suffering.