henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:19 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:06 pm
Anyone with a memory can agree with Lace without being fed word by word what you said.
Yeah, I'm not particularly impressed by your, or her, memory (or comprehension), guy.
As I say (in an email)...
My natural rights notions have at their core 'a man belongs to himself'. His life, liberty, and property are his. His life, liberty,
and property are only forfeit, in part or whole, when he knowingly, willingly, without just cause, deprives another, in part or whole, of life, liberty, or property.
When I refuse to mask up, or lock down, or accept the jab, this -- I believe -- moral fact (
a man belongs to himself) is my rock solid foundation. I am mine. I choose. I don't ask that my fellows, or the State, accept this. I demand they recognize it.
This conversation is about, I think, a person's claim to himself vs the claim others believe they have on him. I say others have no claim on him. You seem to be sayin' they do have a claim on him.
As I reckon it: even in a true Caronapocalypse (sumthin', in my view, that we are
not in), TPTB ought do nuthin' but act as a clearing house for information and advisement. Free men don't become wards of The State, they're supposed to be its employers. And here's where we perhaps differ on that subject: I see a purpose to the minimal Nightwatchman affair, its purpose expressly bein' the investigation of, and the adjudication of, claims of life, liberty, or property violation. You mebbe see this as inadequate preferrin' the wider, deeper State with its legislators, executives, judicials, bureaucrats, technocrats, and the like. You prefer The State and work to shore it up; I work to see it *dismantled.
First, I'm not anti-vaccination, I'm anti-mandate. Second, best I can tell, many anti-vaxxers are refuseniks solely becuz they believe the beer virus jabs are ineffective and harmful; this not my primary focus.
To be clear: we could indeed be in the midst of a True Coronapocalypse and the jabs could all be 100% effective with zero side effects and I would still oppose mandates. My
ownness is nonnegotiable and not on the table. There is no
I am my own except for when....
I am my own. I belong to me. My life, liberty, and property are mine. I've authorized no one to direct me. I don't recognize the moral authority of anyone (save for one) who claims power over me.
Some here say
in a public health crisis such things have to take a backseat to controlling the disease. I say, no, in such a crisis the last thing we ought do is set aside principle. In setting aside principle we relegate man, each other, to
meat, meat that must be preserved at all costs and to hell with
personhood.
Living as preserved
meat is not preferable to dying as a human being, a
person, not to me.
This is my position, even if I'm the only one in the whole of the world who holds to it.
Exactly.
You decided to get jabbed, for whatever reason you sussed out for yourself. Not becuz you were guilt-tripped into it by some immuno-compromised person, and not becuz a government told you had to, and not becuz an employer threatened to fire you if you remained un-jabbed. You decided: which is how it should be.
I must seem, then, awfully uncompassionate: I can live with that.
One gnat is nuthin'; a swarm is irritatin'. Is
honor the new
look down on? Never been.
(Or if you prefer to wade through posts, you can point to places where you've expressed it already.)