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ForCruxSake wrote:
Lighten up, man. You can't be a hypocritical, bullying troll all your life!

Says F*x, the vicious, bullying liar, to the gentlest, funniest person on here by several hundred miles.

duszek wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:

duszek wrote:People who work hard in the fields deserve respect, don´t they ?

Today farmers drive huge air-conditioned combines (as I saw on TV) and don´t have to expose their body to the sun.

But is the term politically correct ?
Someone who works hard should not be made fun of.
Kain was the first person who worked hard in the fields, together with his mother Eve, while his brother Able was a shepard and had a less hard life that way. Adam was also a shepard.

Kain and Eve were the first rednecks.

First steps to answer this would be:
1. To define or explain what the adjective 'politically correct' means.
2. To define or explain what the term 'redneck' means.

For that - see online dictionary or wikipedia. Or not.
Then engage thinking part of brain.
But why would anyone want to do that ?

I remember asking a native Canadian what a redneck was, he expained that it was a farmer working in the fields. White skin gets red if exposed too much to the sun. Australians are worried about it more and more.

Politically correct means that we do not offend other people´s feelings because they belong to certain social groups and they should not suffer for bad behavior of other members of these groups. (a definition made by myself just now)

Dicionaries use empirical material which they get from interviewing people, that´s what I suppose.

If my use of the words "redneck" and "politically correct" seem wrong to you, Marjoram, then please point out the weak points of my usage to me.

Peace.

The first part of your definition is warm, but the second is nothing to do with political correctness. PC is an ironic term. The PC are about controlling everyone else's words and thoughts. The PC part is in the tactics and methodology. And if a 'group' is not allowed to be 'offended', then the 'offence' should also come from a 'group' instead of stifling and oppressing individual members of the public into being scared to say anything unless it passes muster with the PC (who are hypocrites by definition). And no, the PC don't give a damn about Canadian farmers. They aren't part of a 'protected group'.
F*x is an excellent case in point. She's the first undiluted example of the species I've seen on here. A fascinating study. She uses typically PC/SJW (the most rabid and distilled form of the species) tactics in pretty much everything she posts. Only she knows what is morally correct. She is so morally superior that she gets to decide what others are allowed to say (notwithstanding the fact that she is allowed to say the same things, but that's because she is 'morally sound' so it doesn't count).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: PC is an ironic term. The PC are about controlling everyone else's words and thoughts. The PC part is in the tactics and methodology.

Yep. It's often used as a smug, self-righteous weapon.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... PC is an ironic term. ...

Not really, it was a term invented by the right-wing to deride the changes in behaviour they saw happening that they didn't like.

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:... PC is an ironic term. ...

Not really, it was a term invented by the right-wing to deride the changes in behaviour they saw happening that they didn't like.

What else could it be but ironic? It's really not that difficult. Now that pretty well every political term has been rendered useless by misuse and private agendas, it's probably the only definition that makes any sense.

''The earliest printed reference that is unambiguous in its use of 'politically correct' in its current commonly understood sense is Toni Cade's The Black Woman, 1970:

"A man cannot be politically correct and a chauvinist too." ''
Some clever clog took note, and turned the expression back on them, making it into an ironic and derogatory term, instead of a proudly smug and and morally-superior one.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Walker wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: PC is an ironic term. The PC are about controlling everyone else's words and thoughts. The PC part is in the tactics and methodology.

Yep. It's often used as a smug, self-righteous weapon.

It would be very difficult to find anyone as smug as F*x. She's well and truly knocked fiveredapples off his pedestal.

Don't include me in your attack on F*x.

Safe zones are so PC, not right-wing.
Neither are they intelligent.

You are not a safe zone, VT.

Walker wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Walker wrote: Yep. It's often used as a smug, self-righteous weapon.

It would be very difficult to find anyone as smug as F*x. She's well and truly knocked fiveredapples off his pedestal.

Don't include me in your attack upon F*x.

Safe zones are so PC, not right-wing.

If you don't want me to respond then don't talk to me. You included yourself.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: If you don't want me to respond then don't talk to me. You included yourself.

I don't mind your responses. Not at all.

You're quite provocative.

You are not a safe zone, VT.

Walker wrote: Don't include me in your attack on F*x.

Attack? This is about defense. We're fighting for freedom of speech and thought here, Walker. You let this go and the next thing you know they'll be clamping down on your long baffling meanderings just in case there's something hiding in there that they don't approve of.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Take heed, Walker, you can't afford to be complacent.

Harbal wrote:

Walker wrote: Don't include me in your attack on F*x.

Attack? This is about defense. We're fighting for freedom of speech and thought here, Walker. You let this go and the next thing you know they'll be clamping down on your long baffling meanderings just in case there's something hiding in there that they don't approve of.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Take heed, Walker, you can't afford to be complacent.

Be careful who you come after.
They just might burn down your world.

Walker wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Walker wrote: Yep. It's often used as a smug, self-righteous weapon.

It would be very difficult to find anyone as smug as F*x. She's well and truly knocked fiveredapples off his pedestal.

Don't include me in your attack on F*x.

Safe zones are so PC, not right-wing.
Neither are they intelligent.

You are not a safe zone, VT.

It can be used by any thinking person who doesn't like being told what they are allowed to think or say by those who consider themselves to be the moral standard-bearers of the planet. I would imagine it would be liberals who possibly use it the most. Liberals? Those people who believe in free speech? If the American 'conservatives' are using it to refer to global warming then yet another useful term is going the way of the large dinosaurs because of its use by those who don't understand what it means.
As far as your quote goes, the fashionably PC position at this time seems to be an anti-Israel one for some reason. So they would have been silent when someone 'came for the Jews' anyway. Just as they were virtually silent, and continue to be silent, when muslim countries were, and still are, having the shit blown out of them. But 'offend' muslims by saying you don't like their crappy religion and all hell will break loose. Notice how they loved Hillary Clinton, the biggest warmonger you could find? They are a weird lot, and not in the least bit intelligent or genuine.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

duszek wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:
First steps to answer this would be:
1. To define or explain what the adjective 'politically correct' means.
2. To define or explain what the term 'redneck' means.

For that - see online dictionary or wikipedia. Or not.
Then engage thinking part of brain.
But why would anyone want to do that ?

I remember asking a native Canadian what a redneck was, he expained that it was a farmer working in the fields. White skin gets red if exposed too much to the sun. Australians are worried about it more and more.

Politically correct means that we do not offend other people´s feelings because they belong to certain social groups and they should not suffer for bad behavior of other members of these groups. (a definition made by myself just now)

Dicionaries use empirical material which they get from interviewing people, that´s what I suppose.

If my use of the words "redneck" and "politically correct" seem wrong to you, Marjoram, then please point out the weak points of my usage to me.

Peace.

The first part of your definition is warm, but the second is nothing to do with political correctness. PC is an ironic term. The PC are about controlling everyone else's words and thoughts. The PC part is in the tactics and methodology. And if a 'group' is not allowed to be 'offended', then the 'offence' should also come from a 'group' instead of stifling and oppressing individual members of the public into being scared to say anything unless it passes muster with the PC (who are hypocrites by definition). And no, the PC don't give a damn about Canadian farmers. They aren't part of a 'protected group'.
F*x is an excellent case in point. She's the first undiluted example of the species I've seen on here. A fascinating study. She uses typically PC/SJW (the most rabid and distilled form of the species) tactics in pretty much everything she posts. Only she knows what is morally correct. She is so morally superior that she gets to decide what others are allowed to say (notwithstanding the fact that she is allowed to say the same things, but that's because she is 'morally sound' so it doesn't count).

You have to stop attributing everything to me as, again, it is coming across as cerebral Tourette's. Stick to the subject and stop doing this now. You've had other people asking you to stay on thread.This is not about me as much as you may want it to be about me.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What else could it be but ironic? It's really not that difficult. Now that pretty well every political term has been rendered useless by misuse and private agendas, it's probably the only definition that makes any sense. ...

But it wasn't used by the right-wing ironically was it. Just as its not being used by you ironically. It's an expression the right use because they don't like the idea that it's unacceptable to use language that a minority might well find offensive about themselves. Now I get that you don't like the way it's been extended to include many other groups but that's language use for you. Me, I like it that social pressure has kept the racists, homophobes, et al quieter in the streets, pubs and clubs and I like it that my kids are more accepting of others differences than my generation were.

ForCruxSake wrote:it is coming across as cerebral Tourette's.

What other kind of Tourette's is there? Abdominal Tourette's? Cardiac Tourette's? Can you get it in your foot?

Arising_uk wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:What else could it be but ironic? It's really not that difficult. Now that pretty well every political term has been rendered useless by misuse and private agendas, it's probably the only definition that makes any sense. ...

But it wasn't used by the right-wing ironically was it. Just as its not being used by you ironically. It's an expression the right use because they don't like the idea that it's unacceptable to use language that a minority might well find offensive about themselves. Now I get that you don't like the way it's been extended to include many other groups but that's language use for you. Me, I like it that social pressure has kept the racists, homophobes, et al quieter in the streets, pubs and clubs and I like it that my kids are more accepting of others differences than my generation were.

Of course it's fucking ironic. What the hell is wrong with you?