How God could fail to convey His message?

[Arising_uk]

This is wrong, there are a few of us who have reasonably good evidence that God exists, so these few do know that God exists.

What do you mean by 'God' when you say this?

[Dontaskme]

One god just does not make any sense to a rational person.

That's because people are irrational. They have recreated what's already here, turning what's already here into one big fat fictitious lie and not only that, they actually bought into their own self imagined dreamworld.

[bahman]

I have answered it. The answer to that is very simple and easy to understand. Just some people do not know how to find the solution.

The only thing you said in reply to the answer was, "I don't understand what you are trying to say here." You did not ask any clarifying questions nor shown any interest in it. So, now saying, "you simply cannot answer my question...", is totally incorrect. If you were really interested, then you would have shown some sort of inquisitiveness by questioning Me further. You have not done so, so I have not bothered to explain further.

I also asked you to provide some sort of sign that you are open, which you are not doing.

I don't remember where you answer the question related to too many religions.

I do not now remember the exact question related to too many religions where I already answered.

Two things here:
1. What is the specific question you want answered?
2. Do you believe that there could be a sufficient answer to your specific question?

If no to number 2 question, then do not provide the specific question in number 1.
If yes to number 2 question, then do ask the specific question that you want answered in number 1, again.

That is confusion. You mentioned that you answered my question!?

When did you define God, and what was that definition?

Why would think that question would supposedly "annoy" Me?

God for sake of discussion in this thread is the creator who is omnipotent and omniscient. What is your definition?

I will go along with your definition as long as you stick with that definition.

Good.

Another person using the word 'reality' like they KNOW what it is.

There is no another systematic method rather than science for studding the reality. Do you know a better method?

Yes I do, but that is really of no significance because you believe that there is no other method than the one you proposed.

What is the systematic framework that you have in your mind?

You have completely forgotten to add that "God doesn't make itself evident," 'to you'.

Have you not heard what others are saying to you. Obviously, God has made Itself evident to them. Thus, it is 'you' that supposedly God does not make Itself evident to. Maybe you should be explaining to us why God does not make Itself evident to you.

What could the possible reasons be? Ah that is right, you believe there is no God. If there is no God, why the continual absolutely stupid questions about a non such thing?

By the way I have NEVER evaded your question. AGAIN I already answered it. You are unable to understand My answer, as you already admitted. But do not feel too bad. No other person is yet to understand what I am saying regards this little and simple issue. If you are really interested in understanding My answer, THEN ask some questions. Or, do you expect Me to totally know and understand what it is that you do NOT, yet, understand?

Well, it seems that we have to start first to find God before God make itself evident to us.

That was certainly not necessarily the case for me.

I am also not sure why you would make such a stupid assumption like this, or an assumption of anything for that matter, before you know the truth.

Why would a person who believes there is no God start first to find God?

Doing that is the very first mistake any sane person could make.

Answer Me this, do you believe God exists?

Ok, how God made itself evident to you?

But how I can start anything when there are over 4000 religion. I cannot possibly study and practice all.

You can actually start something, that is by just remaining fully and completely open, just like the exact same way that you were in the beginning. It would not matter if there was one religion or over 4000 billion religions, looking for any religion to study and practice for guidance is just about the most ridiculous thing you any person could do. Remember believing in science is also a religion.

You didn't answer my question: How I could find and practice the correct religion? Why God left us in state of ignorance?

So who's fault it is if I cannot find God? God's fault.

Are you answering your own question here?

Again are you looking for some Thing that you believe does not actually exist?

If so, then who would really be a fault for not finding a non-existent thing?

After 12 pages of this thread has it come down to the fact that you, yourself, have all along been trying to blame a non-existent thing for you not being able to find the non-existent It?

Has your trolling actually landed you a pretty big fish, i.e., the Truth?

Yes, I answered my question. We already accept the definition of God for sake of this thread. So I can answer my question when it comes to someone's fault. Again, why God left us in state of ignorance (there are about 4000 religion around the globe)? So who's fault it?

God is the creator, isn't It?

You are the one who defined God as the creator. So, is God the creator or not?

Do not ask Me if God is the creator. I will accept and agree with your definition.

Cool.

I need that It shows me that how It could create.

Why do you need this?

By the way how "God" could and actually does create is really extremely very easy to explain. But, I can only show how I create to those people who are open enough to an idea that is completely new to them.

I need this since any being can claim that s/he or it is God.

Science is a method for finding truth based on what we observe. It is under progress and revision always. That how do we learn about truth. God however knows truth so it should be simple for God to explain things to us.

It is very simple and easy for Me to explain things to you, BUT, only if you are open enough to accepting it. If, however, if you believe and assume that you already know the truth, then it is very hard to explain things to you.

There is no reason to be an open person in order to believe in God if God makes Itself evident to s/he.

[attofishpi]

But not much in relation to the true nature of matter and reality?

What do you mean by the 'true nature'?

That there is an intelligent 'being' projecting our reality.

And i can advise you what the sage has informed me.

You can and if it sounds like good advice I'll take it.

If the sage indicates more to me in relation to you i will advise.

[attofishpi]

So then I can point to a potential schizophrenic. Have you been tested?

An obvious point and one im surprised has not been asked of me until now. Of course when you attend a Dr of psychology\chiatry and start advising you hear a voice or voices - i would think immediately you are going to be labeled a schizophrenic. When you sit in front of one of these 'enlightened' fellows and advise you have seen an aboriginal boy morph in three stages to a white haired anglo-saxon old man, you really are going to have the schizo book thrown at you!

But alas - no, they have never pinned that diagnosis (or any other) upon me. Perhaps it comes down to the rational reasoning i provided all those years ago when God was kicking my ass.

Deliver us from evil. (amen)
Backwards:- Live morf su reviled.
I translated as:- Live morph soon revealed.

1 week after i did this translation of the last sentence of the lords prayer is when the "morph" of the aboriginal boy occurred. (1997)

Anyway.
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
...

[attofishpi]

Nope, just wondered how dontaskme knows there is just one 'God'?

Its obvious...surely it adheres to occam's razor?

no. That would no no gods at all.

I agree. Knowing that God does exist only complicates ones comprehension of pretty much anything.

The irony is, that if it werent for the existence of this God, quite likely Occam and therefore his razor would never have existed.

A single God adds complexity, not removes it.

If there has to be god or gods then more answers why there is no coherent massage, and lots of conflict in the world with no clear direction to anything.
One god just does not make any sense to a rational person.

I disagree. Im sure if there were multiple Gods there would be conflict that would bamboozle the most of us...perhaps we would all be witness to 'their' "supernatural" powers as they have punch ups.

The thing that should be pressing on any philosophers contemplation is - if there is a God - why is it so furtive? Surely there is a reason.

[ken]

There is no reason to be an open person in order to believe in God if God makes Itself evident to s/he.

I agree wholeheartedly. HOWEVER, I NEVER said there was a reason to be an open person in order to believe in God. In fact I would say NEVER believe in anything until you KNOW the Truth. And, even when you KNOW the Truth there is still NO reason to believe in the Truth ever.

What is with Me and not being able to be heard and understood? I can not even have My words read correctly and understood correctly. I thought it would be so much easier to understand a simple person's thinking and writing than a complicated person's thinking and complex writings. Maybe I am wrong.

You have misinterpreted too much of what I have said so far so I am not sure how to clear anything up for you now.

You will NOT answer My questions and you will NOT ask Me clarifying questions so it appears you do NOT really want answers. You are only seeking evidence to verify what you already believe is true. Any person can find and see whatever they want in anything they want. This is what appears to be what you are doing here. I could clear things up more easily if you just answered the questions I ask you.

I will be honest with you and say that I read one of your questions wrongly. I only noticed the ambiguity in it after I re-read the question and My response to it. My answer would be very confusing. This, however, would have been cleared up much earlier if I had been asked some clarifying questions straight away.

It is too blatantly obvious how the Universe was created and what created It. What that is must be God, referring to your definition of 'God'. The evidence is staring you in the face. If you can not see it nor hear It talking to you, then what do you want Me to do about it? I have answered your questions already. If My answers are not clear to you, then why not?

[ken]

So then I can point to a potential schizophrenic. Have you been tested?

An obvious point and one im surprised has not been asked of me until now. Of course when you attend a Dr of psychology\chiatry and start advising you hear a voice or voices - i would think immediately you are going to be labeled a schizophrenic. When you sit in front of one of these 'enlightened' fellows and advise you have seen an aboriginal boy morph in three stages to a white haired anglo-saxon old man, you really are going to have the schizo book thrown at you!

But alas - no, they have never pinned that diagnosis (or any other) upon me. Perhaps it comes down to the rational reasoning i provided all those years ago when God was kicking my ass.

Deliver us from evil. (amen)
Backwards:- Live morf su reviled.
I translated as:- Live morph soon revealed.

1 week after i did this translation of the last sentence of the lords prayer is when the "morph" of the aboriginal boy occurred. (1997)

Anyway.
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
...

I feel connected to this story.

[surreptitious57]

Agnosticism pertains to knowledge and atheism / theism pertains to faith
Agnostic atheist : does not believe in God but is not absolutely certain
Gnostic atheist : does not believe in God and is absolutely certain
Agnostic theist : does believe in God but is not absolutely certain
Gnostic theist : does believe in God and is absolutely certain

However everyone is ultimately agnostic because no one knows for certain whether or not God exists
So gnostic theists and gnostic atheists are absolutely certain in their belief but not in their knowledge

This is wrong there are a few of us who have reasonably good evidence that God exists

There is no such thing as reasonably good evidence for the existence of God

[ken]

One god just does not make any sense to a rational person.

Are you are rational person?

Would a rational person believe in or say anything that was not true?

What makes sense to you?

And, whatever makes sense to you, the "rational" person?, should the rest of us others accept it as the truth also?

[ken]

There is no such thing as reasonably good evidence for the existence of God

There might be.

There might actually even be very good solid evidence. But I guess that all depends on what 'God' means and if 'that' exists or not.

[attofishpi]

I feel connected to this story.

Hi Ken - interested to know why\how? Pm if u prefer not to state here.

[SpheresOfBalance]

So then I can point to a potential schizophrenic. Have you been tested?

An obvious point and one im surprised has not been asked of me until now. Of course when you attend a Dr of psychology\chiatry and start advising you hear a voice or voices - i would think immediately you are going to be labeled a schizophrenic. When you sit in front of one of these 'enlightened' fellows and advise you have seen an aboriginal boy morph in three stages to a white haired anglo-saxon old man, you really are going to have the schizo book thrown at you!

But alas - no, they have never pinned that diagnosis (or any other) upon me. Perhaps it comes down to the rational reasoning i provided all those years ago when God was kicking my ass.

Deliver us from evil. (amen)
Backwards:- Live morf su reviled.
I translated as:- Live morph soon revealed.

1 week after i did this translation of the last sentence of the lords prayer is when the "morph" of the aboriginal boy occurred. (1997)

Anyway.
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
This kids a friend of ya
...

Nothing personal, but it would surely seem you are neurologically challenged. Of course, as such, you'd never really be privy. Like I told you earlier, a creator of everything would never have favorites, fully understanding the deterministic nature of our ever varying environments here on planet earth, it'd treat everyone equally, advising each of it's presence. You and your imaginary selfish god can go to hell, where you both belong. Unless of course you seek medical treatment, which is what I honestly recommend.

[attofishpi]

Nothing personal, but it would surely seem you are neurologically challenged.

You think you are more intelligent than me? You cant even comprehend when you ARE being personal, u twat.

Of course, as such, you'd never really be privy. Like I told you earlier, a creator of everything would never have favorites,

What are you babbling on about RE: Favourites??

fully understanding the deterministic nature of our ever varying environments here on planet earth, it'd treat everyone equally, advising each of it's presence.

Oh - you think i have some undeserved privilege to know God exists. I would have preferred to have been nailed to a crucifix 3 times over than what i was put through by God.

You and your imaginary selfish god can go to hell, where you both belong. Unless of course you seek medical treatment, which is what I honestly recommend.

I've literally experienced what Hell actually is. I also experience heaven and when God makes love to every sense in my body tonight a short sighted twat like you will be far from my thoughts.

[SpheresOfBalance]

Nothing personal, but it would surely seem you are neurologically challenged.

You think you are more intelligent than me? You cant even comprehend when you ARE being personal, u twat.
Or am I being sarcastic?

Of course, as such, you'd never really be privy. Like I told you earlier, a creator of everything would never have favorites,

What are you babbling on about RE: Favourites??
Proof of my higher intelligence! As if a creator would only speak to you and your kind, sheesh! Quit sucking yourself!

fully understanding the deterministic nature of our ever varying environments here on planet earth, it'd treat everyone equally, advising each of it's presence.

Oh - you think i have some undeserved privilege to know God exists. I would have preferred to have been nailed to a crucifix 3 times over than what i was put through by God.
So he's a selfish god, that plays favorites, only to do such to you! It's more probable, that in all your pain and suffering, you clung to that which you believed would pull you through, then with your pulling through, believed it was proof of existence, instead of coincidence. Can you say, "probably deluded yourself?"

You and your imaginary selfish god can go to hell, where you both belong. Unless of course you seek medical treatment, which is what I honestly recommend.

I've literally experienced what Hell actually is.
As if you could actually know this?

I also experience heaven
And this too?

So your god literally transported you to both places so you could actually know that what you've experienced was indeed like those two places? Cuckoo, cuckoo!

and when God makes love to every cell in my body tonight a short sighted twat like you will be far from my thoughts.
You are neurally challenged, I knew it. The proof being your illogical responses.