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Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:20 am
by Jaded Sage
Gary Childress wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:What is wisdom?
I have no idea. Wish I knew. Socrates speculated that he must have been wise (according to the oracle of Delphi) because he knew what he did not know and did not pretend to know things he did not. I don't think I even know what I don't know. And I pretend to know when I don't. It's a nasty habit.
A philosopher is supposed to be a "lover of wisdom". I find it sort of difficult to love anything or anyone. Without some sort of love the world seems like a pretty dreary place. I've had many unrequited loves in life. I could name off some of their names; Laurie, Candice, Marcy, Jennifer. It seems like wisdom has been an unrequited love as well...
Keep pursuing her. Seek and ye shall find.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:07 pm
by Gary Childress
Jaded Sage wrote:Gary Childress wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:What is wisdom?
I have no idea. Wish I knew. Socrates speculated that he must have been wise (according to the oracle of Delphi) because he knew what he did not know and did not pretend to know things he did not. I don't think I even know what I don't know. And I pretend to know when I don't. It's a nasty habit.
A philosopher is supposed to be a "lover of wisdom". I find it sort of difficult to love anything or anyone. Without some sort of love the world seems like a pretty dreary place. I've had many unrequited loves in life. I could name off some of their names; Laurie, Candice, Marcy, Jennifer. It seems like wisdom has been an unrequited love as well...
Keep pursuing her. Seek and ye shall find.
Thank you, Jaded Sage. For being a compassionate human being.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:14 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Jaded Sage wrote:I'm looking for something a little more than a dictionary definition.
I did give my own synopsis at the very end.
I believe it's important to first revisit the definition of a word, because in most cases the word in question came long before our very lives. After which I put my twist on it, if I believe it's required.
Did you not see my words at the bottom?
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:38 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:You and I are just on two different pages, man.
Page One: Thinking, considering, weighing the ideas; responding to posts
Page Two: Duh, I dunno wot 2 say.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:09 pm
by Jaded Sage
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:I'm looking for something a little more than a dictionary definition.
I did give my own synopsis at the very end.
I believe it's important to first revisit the definition of a word, because in most cases the word in question came long before our very lives. After which I put my twist on it, if I believe it's required.
Did you not see my words at the bottom?
Yeah, I thought they were about equally informative.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:11 pm
by Jaded Sage
You can thank my mother for that, Gary.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:12 pm
by Jaded Sage
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:You and I are just on two different pages, man.
Page One: Thinking, considering, weighing the ideas; responding to posts
Page Two: Duh, I dunno wot 2 say.
You post like a retarded child. You're capable of so much more.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:13 pm
by duszek
Oliver Twist was clever, I suppose.
I have not read the novel but an English lady once called him "street-wise".
Many birds are clever, they are able to find solutions. Ravens are famous for it.
What do they lack (so that we cannot call them wise) ?
There must be some better grammatical structure to express this question.
Wisdom seems to require some complex and thorough exprerience of life and a mild and charitable disposition.
Buddha and Dalai Lama are examples of wisdom, aren´t they ?
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:28 pm
by duszek
Does playing chess develop the player´s wisdom or cleverness or none of the two ?
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:45 pm
by Jaded Sage
duszek wrote:Oliver Twist was clever, I suppose.
I have not read the novel but an English lady once called him "street-wise".
Many birds are clever, they are able to find solutions. Ravens are famous for it.
What do they lack (so that we cannot call them wise) ?
There must be some better grammatical structure to express this question.
Wisdom seems to require some complex and thorough exprerience of life and a mild and charitable disposition.
Buddha and Dalai Lama are examples of wisdom, aren´t they ?
I'd call them clever and maybe resourceful. That's not wise. "Streetwise" is like "practical wisdom"—it's not wisdom.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:45 pm
by Jaded Sage
duszek wrote:Does playing chess develop the player´s wisdom or cleverness or none of the two ?
Cleverness, between the two.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:30 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Jaded Sage wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:You and I are just on two different pages, man.
Page One: Thinking, considering, weighing the ideas; responding to posts
Page Two: Duh, I dunno wot 2 say.
You post like a retarded child. You're capable of so much more.
If you can't respond to my points, a "retarded" response is all you deserve.
And yes I cam capable of more.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:33 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
duszek wrote:Does playing chess develop the player´s wisdom or cleverness or none of the two ?
It develops their skill at chess. This might assist in some other transferable skill, but I don't think "wisdom" or 'cleverness" in general terms is going to necessarily be enhanced.
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:03 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Jaded Sage wrote:SpheresOfBalance wrote:Jaded Sage wrote:I'm looking for something a little more than a dictionary definition.
I did give my own synopsis at the very end.
I believe it's important to first revisit the definition of a word, because in most cases the word in question came long before our very lives. After which I put my twist on it, if I believe it's required.
Did you not see my words at the bottom?
Yeah, I thought they were about equally informative.
So as to expound, I believe that wisdom is what's arrived at after one weeds out all the misconceptions/misdirections that have muddied the waters of true knowledge. So it takes time, directly proportional to the amount of misconceptions/misdirections one has accumulated. So in essence it's the refinement of truth, the truth of the human condition, primarily! Still far too plain for your tastes? You looking for something 'mystical' in nature?
Re: What is wisdom?
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:27 am
by Jaded Sage
You seen this? Sounds like you two are describing the same thing.
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I'm not looking for something mystical. I think wisdom is far different from what we think it is, in which case it seems practical to envision it as something somewhat mystical, forget that it is not, and then remember later. If our view is skewed, we have to skew our view to correct it (like a pair of glasses).