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Yes, and that is why I asked you to prove that Kennedy was actually killed.
You can't.

Choose your rebellions better...

Pluto wrote:

Choose your rebellions better...

'Better' is subjective and objective at the same time? Or can be just one of the two?

Pluto wrote:

Yes, and that is why I asked you to prove that Kennedy was actually killed.
You can't.

You're the one going on about Kennedy not being dead, you prove he's dead. All I know is that it appears that he is dead.

The evidence shows that he is dead. I saw footage showing a head-shot, he fell back, a part of his head came away. Then, when we see any info on the guy it's all written in the past tense, like he's not here anymore. His wife had a funeral, she looked very sad. Lindon Johnson was quickly signed in as President because there wasn't one, he was dead. He is dead, no? Where's the proof then.

thedoc wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

thedoc wrote:

Given that leather is usually found on the more expensive shoes, I doubt that Trixie would spring for the good stuff, more likely she goes to "Super Shoes" for the cheapest thing she can find. There are 2 problems with this practice the rubber and plastic used in these products does not deteriorate like the natural leather products, and will be filling the land fills for a lot longer. The other issue is that leather comes from animals which are a renewable resource, petroleum is a limited resource that will run out one day. So in this regard leather is a better choice than rubber or plastic.

Interestingly the same arguments can be used for choosing real fur over synthetic fur, a renewable resource, and the items breakdown when discarded.

Additionally the artificial products used in cheap shoes is harmful to shoe makers that work in sweat shops in the east; the substances are made from oil based products and contribute to pollution, the diminution of a limited resource and increase CO2 emissions.

Maybe Trixie goes bare-footed?

There are few materials, natural or synthetic, that do not have some history of being toxic and harming those who worked with them. "Mad as a Hatter", had it's origins in the fact that hat makers used a mercury compound in making the hats, and after time working with it the mercury would absorb into the body and into the central nervous system causing madness, dentists also need to be regularly tested for mercury levels in their system. Right offhand I can't remember if there were any cautions for those workers actually mixing the rubber, but there were several chemical compounds that could have been dangerous if not handled properly.

Better in this case is stuff that has consequence.

Pluto wrote:

Better in this case is stuff that has consequence.

Staged events if found to be such would have structural consequences.

Pluto wrote:I started the thread to be persuaded by others that we didn't go to the moon. That hasn't happened, so to me that's interesting, it shows that believers cannot put up clear evidence that we did go. ...

Pluto wrote:It does seem that your belief in the fact that we went to the moon based on rocks brought back and experiments with mirrors is tenuous, I maybe wrong but it sounds so. I'm interested, but I read that rocks fall to the Earth, have done, still do. To be collected and passed on to the relevant bodies. And the mirrors, how can we, mere joe publics, even begin to know that what it is they say they are doing, or have done with the mirrors, understand it, let alone believe then, that this is actually what is happening. I guess you have to take a leap of faith, and say yes, they are in control, they have the power. It is true and happening as they say. Even though we are historical enemies.

Pluto wrote:It does seem that your belief in the fact that we went to the moon based on rocks brought back and experiments with mirrors is tenuous, I maybe wrong but it sounds so. I'm interested, but I read that rocks fall to the Earth, have done, still do. ...

And the mirrors, how can we, mere joe publics, even begin to know that what it is they say they are doing, or have done with the mirrors, understand it, let alone believe then, that this is actually what is happening. ...

I guess you have to take a leap of faith, and say yes, they are in control, they have the power. It is true and happening as they say. Even though we are historical enemies.

thedoc wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: Your words alone probably made some future animal suffer.

Since the computer industry and the internet is largely based on plastic and electricity, most of the animals that have suffered and died were dinosaurs and they are long dead, at least that is my understanding, but I could be wrong. Perhaps Trixie will post again and prove that dinosaurs still exist.

Arising_uk wrote:

Pluto wrote:It does seem that your belief in the fact that we went to the moon based on rocks brought back and experiments with mirrors is tenuous, I maybe wrong but it sounds so. I'm interested, but I read that rocks fall to the Earth, have done, still do. ...

Yes and that's why the amount of moon rock available tends towards the conclusion that we must have got it from there as your link gave the stats for how much is found and if you'd read more you'd find we appear to have a vastly greater quantity than would be available from sky fall. How would you explain that?

And the mirrors, how can we, mere joe publics, even begin to know that what it is they say they are doing, or have done with the mirrors, understand it, let alone believe then, that this is actually what is happening. ...

Because of the variety of non-governmental sources that have repeated the experiment.

I guess you have to take a leap of faith, and say yes, they are in control, they have the power. It is true and happening as they say. Even though we are historical enemies.

Who is this 'they'? What on earth are you talking about with this 'historical enemies'?