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Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Fantastic era for music and songwriting. He would only be about 17 there! Not exactly Justin Bieber is he.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Fantastic era for music and songwriting. He would only be about 17 there! Not exactly Justin Bieber is he.

I don\'t know to what degree this is just the meandering complaint of a middle aged man, but the period from the start of Rock and Roll to the mid 1970s, but especially '65-70 seems to have been a remarkably fruitful period for the writing of Classic songs.

How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

But when was a sing like this ever been written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6cxaKRwtk

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Fantastic era for music and songwriting. He would only be about 17 there! Not exactly Justin Bieber is he.

I don\'t know to what degree this is just the meandering complaint of a middle aged man, but the period from the start of Rock and Roll to the mid 1970s, but especially '65-70 seems to have been a remarkably fruitful period for the writing of Classic songs.

How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

But when was a sing like this ever been written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6cxaKRwtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY

Hobbes' Choice wrote:How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

Maybe both? People who remember the 30s and 40s might think differently. The songs of that time tended to have more sophisticated chord structures than later times, just as the pop of the 60s tended to be more harmonically sophisticated than in later years.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Fantastic era for music and songwriting. He would only be about 17 there! Not exactly Justin Bieber is he.

I don\'t know to what degree this is just the meandering complaint of a middle aged man, but the period from the start of Rock and Roll to the mid 1970s, but especially '65-70 seems to have been a remarkably fruitful period for the writing of Classic songs.

How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

But when was a sing like this ever been written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6cxaKRwtk

It's not your age. The era of my young adulthood was the 80s, but I can definitely tell a great song when I hear one. I only first heard 'Dock of the Bay' just recently, and was blown away by it. A great song is a great song. Music has its troughs and highs, and the sixties was an incredible 'high', with brilliant songwriters bouncing off and being inspired by each other. The wealth and depth of artistic creativity made the era a modern 'Renaissance'. 'Dumbing down' affects everything. I somehow don't think the McMansions of today are going to be revered in the future as architectural wonders somehow, or 'Gangnam' as a great song.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fantastic era for music and songwriting. He would only be about 17 there! Not exactly Justin Bieber is he.

I don\'t know to what degree this is just the meandering complaint of a middle aged man, but the period from the start of Rock and Roll to the mid 1970s, but especially '65-70 seems to have been a remarkably fruitful period for the writing of Classic songs.

How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

But when was a sing like this ever been written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6cxaKRwtk

It's not your age. The era of my young adulthood was the 80s, but I can definitely tell a great song when I hear one. I only first heard 'Dock of the Bay' just recently, and was blown away by it. A great song is a great song. Music has its troughs and highs, and the sixties was an incredible 'high', with brilliant songwriters bouncing off and being inspired by each other. The wealth and depth of artistic creativity made the era a modern 'Renaissance'. 'Dumbing down' affects everything. I somehow don't think the McMansions of today are going to be revered in the future as architectural wonders somehow, or 'Gangnam' as a great song.

Yeah. I don't think Spandau Ballet is going to get remembered like the Beatles, the Stones or Bob Dylan for sure.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:La Murga de Panamá

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmSELi54vQQ

What is murga?

In several countries in Latin America, a murga is a street band, usually tied to folk traditions in the countryside, but they don't look or sound the same in every country. In Panama they are almost always composed of a brass section and percussionists, and mostly played during carnival, where they also may incorporate some chants (called tunas), sung by the crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcz1mpbzNZ8

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Possibly the best cover version ever.
The Animals made this their song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sB3Fjw ... IWY8UyW9bw

Two of my favorites from the 60's, as are these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKta_gRc2gA

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: It's not your age. The era of my young adulthood was the 80s, but I can definitely tell a great song when I hear one. I only first heard 'Dock of the Bay' just recently, and was blown away by it. A great song is a great song. Music has its troughs and highs, and the sixties was an incredible 'high', with brilliant songwriters bouncing off and being inspired by each other. The wealth and depth of artistic creativity made the era a modern 'Renaissance'. 'Dumbing down' affects everything. I somehow don't think the McMansions of today are going to be revered in the future as architectural wonders somehow, or 'Gangnam' as a great song.

Every era has its collection of disposable, Gangnam style music, as well as that which will survive as "classics". However, it seems true that as music industry becomes a better oiled machine, the chances of finding that "wealth and depth of artistic creativity" in its products are getting lower. Fame and big bucks can come with no talent, if you know the business. Are DJ's musicians?

Conde Lucanor wrote: Two of my favorites from the 60's, as are these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKta_gRc2gA

Love both. The Animals were amazing, and so young, with weirdly mature voices.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I don\'t know to what degree this is just the meandering complaint of a middle aged man, but the period from the start of Rock and Roll to the mid 1970s, but especially '65-70 seems to have been a remarkably fruitful period for the writing of Classic songs.

How many songs written in the last 20 years do you think will be regarded as monuments, like Whiter Shade of Pale, Lola, California, Dreaming, House of the Rising Sun, Dock of the Bay, Trains and Boats and Planes, Downtown, ad infinitem.

Maybe I'm just locking in on songs important to my childhood?

But when was a sing like this ever been written?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY

or this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn6cxaKRwtk

It's not your age. The era of my young adulthood was the 80s, but I can definitely tell a great song when I hear one. I only first heard 'Dock of the Bay' just recently, and was blown away by it. A great song is a great song. Music has its troughs and highs, and the sixties was an incredible 'high', with brilliant songwriters bouncing off and being inspired by each other. The wealth and depth of artistic creativity made the era a modern 'Renaissance'. 'Dumbing down' affects everything. I somehow don't think the McMansions of today are going to be revered in the future as architectural wonders somehow, or 'Gangnam' as a great song.

Yeah. I don't think Spandau Ballet is going to get remembered like the Beatles, the Stones or Bob Dylan for sure.

I thought Spandau Ballet were one of the better 80s pop groups - nice boys out of music school who figured they could make better money playing pop than jazz or classical

Robert Fripp observed that 1985 was the year that the music business became the music business. The balance between art and business has always been about matters of degree, but there was seemingly a tipping point around that time. I know that, as a gigging musician at the time, there was no tolerance for old school approaches. I was forced to play more tightly and robotically until I was playing more or less the same notes in every song, every gig. As one who loves jamming, this was hard for me to take and after a few years of it I quit gigging for the first time (I started and stopped a few times afterwards).

By that time instrumentals were deemed not to fit the pop formula. It was all about cute, sweet singers and lurve. I love instrumentals, they are less literal, more innocent. I adored the old instrumental hits - Classical Gas, Also Sprach Tharathustra, Albatross, Frankenstein, Sasha, Hocus Pocus, Love Theme, Apache, Wipeout, Telstar ...

Greta wrote:I adored the old instrumental hits - Classical Gas, Also Sprach Tharathustra, Albatross, Frankenstein, Sasha, Hocus Pocus, Love Theme, Apache, Wipeout, Telstar ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1yQoQ12DPI
Makes my skin tingle. I don't know why. That's the mystery of music.

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Good song, well sung, poor mimed!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Possibly the best cover version ever.
The Animals made this their song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sB3Fjw ... IWY8UyW9bw

Two of my favorites from the 60's, as are these ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfwN0X8YnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKta_gRc2gA

Love the first, but not the second.
Gerrry and the Pacemakers is a bit too scmaltzy for me, especially that "Phil Spectre" type instrumentation.

Greta wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: It's not your age. The era of my young adulthood was the 80s, but I can definitely tell a great song when I hear one. I only first heard 'Dock of the Bay' just recently, and was blown away by it. A great song is a great song. Music has its troughs and highs, and the sixties was an incredible 'high', with brilliant songwriters bouncing off and being inspired by each other. The wealth and depth of artistic creativity made the era a modern 'Renaissance'. 'Dumbing down' affects everything. I somehow don't think the McMansions of today are going to be revered in the future as architectural wonders somehow, or 'Gangnam' as a great song.

Yeah. I don't think Spandau Ballet is going to get remembered like the Beatles, the Stones or Bob Dylan for sure.

I thought Spandau Ballet were one of the better 80s pop groups - nice boys out of music school who figured they could make better money playing pop than jazz or classical

Robert Fripp observed that 1985 was the year that the music business became the music business. The balance between art and business has always been about matters of degree, but there was seemingly a tipping point around that time. I know that, as a gigging musician at the time, there was no tolerance for old school approaches. I was forced to play more tightly and robotically until I was playing more or less the same notes in every song, every gig. As one who loves jamming, this was hard for me to take and after a few years of it I quit gigging for the first time (I started and stopped a few times afterwards).

By that time instrumentals were deemed not to fit the pop formula. It was all about cute, sweet singers and lurve. I love instrumentals, they are less literal, more innocent. I adored the old instrumental hits - Classical Gas, Also Sprach Tharathustra, Albatross, Frankenstein, Sasha, Hocus Pocus, Love Theme, Apache, Wipeout, Telstar ...

I chose Spandau Ballet because they were among the best of the 80s, as a fair comparison to the Beatles.

Frankenstein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8f-Qb-bwlU

Love those Winter boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HESBFsSATDc
Classical Gas part two?

From ELOs seriously underrated first album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYD_b93 ... 64EF2B3F09