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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:01 am
by Ginkgo
SOB
If as you say, all knowledge is a posteriori, were does absolute truth fit in? Are there two types of knowledge or are we still talking just one?
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:16 am
by Arising_uk
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Stop trying to save face, and move along little girl! Most everything you say is BS.
I'm not you paranoid loon. I'm stating where I think the 'truth' can be found in modern philosophy.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:24 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Arising_uk wrote:SpheresOfBalance wrote:Stop trying to save face, and move along little girl! Most everything you say is BS.
I'm not you paranoid loon. I'm stating where I think the 'truth' can be found in modern philosophy.
Quit trying to change the subject, coward. Is that why you engage me, just to be nasty and rude? I make a statement minding my own business, and you just have to deliver an unsolicited answer in some sarcastic condescending way, grow up and take responsibility for a change. You seem to be such a child, arguing over the most ridiculous childlike things. You don't like me and I don't like you, as you are a nasty lying person. Oh, and the loon is only to be found in your mirror!
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:52 pm
by Thundril
I used to have a pair of loons. It was the early 1970's and my one and only attempt to be fashionable. Ever. They were they worst trousers I ever wore.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:43 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Ginkgo wrote:SOB
If as you say, all knowledge is a posteriori, were does absolute truth fit in? Are there two types of knowledge or are we still talking just one?
I see that the absolute truth started with the beginning of our universe and is all actuality up to this very moment. Life started, of this absolute truth and, is the absolute truth. From the very beginning life had to be cognizant of at least it's needs. It slowly developed more and more the need to not only understand that it needed things to survive, but to further understand how to manipulate those things so as to take more control of it's needs. Along this chain of eventual evolution man finally came into being, and with this complex life, came more and more need to understand how things worked, so as to better care for them selves. The problem was that mankind was at the end of an extremely long chain of events, after the infinite facts that brought him into being, such that he had to reverse engineer the absolute truth of the universe, starting from scratch. Because of the magnitude of such an endeavor it would take much time, and be fraught with many falsehoods of belief, which were often a result of his selfish agendas and limitations. But slowly but surely he uncovers more and more of the absolute truth of the universe dispelling his previous belief of falsehoods, continuing to amass absolutely true knowledge, all of it being a posteriori, after the fact of experience. But always his selfish agendas and limitations get in his way of knowing the absolute truth, one of the primary being arrogance that feeds his ego. Arrogance allows him to fool himself into believing that he's smarter than the other constituents of the absolute truth of nature, as he continues to feed his arrogance, thus increasing his false beliefs and clouding his vision of absolute truths, and all for the sake of his ego. A priori knowledge being one of those things born of his arrogance and thus ego, so that he could take credit for those things that are in fact the culmination of his legacies, all of which were once a posteriori and thus born of experience.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:46 pm
by MJA
Ginkgo wrote:SOB
If as you say, all knowledge is a posteriori, were does absolute truth fit in? Are there two types of knowledge or are we still talking just one?
One is nature's single truth.
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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:04 pm
by Ginkgo
MJA wrote:Ginkgo wrote:SOB
If as you say, all knowledge is a posteriori, were does absolute truth fit in? Are there two types of knowledge or are we still talking just one?
One is nature's single truth.
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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:23 pm
by MJA
Ginkgo wrote:MJA wrote:Ginkgo wrote:SOB
If as you say, all knowledge is a posteriori, were does absolute truth fit in? Are there two types of knowledge or are we still talking just one?
One is nature's single truth.
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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:41 pm
by Thundril
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:42 pm
by MJA
Thundril wrote:MJA wrote:
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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:52 pm
by Thundril
MJA wrote:Thundril wrote:MJA wrote:
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Oh yeah.
silly me. (forehead slap!)
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:08 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Thundril wrote:I used to have a pair of loons. It was the early 1970's and my one and only attempt to be fashionable. Ever. They were they worst trousers I ever wore.
You see pants and I see birds, that have the calming voice of nature. But yes all of humanity has a little loon in them to one degree or another, and as such it's impolite, and self defeatist, to comment on it, depending on the mode of delivery, of course.
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:01 am
by Ginkgo
Well done MJA, you must be The Internet Chat Room Whisperer. You have calmed everyone down.
Good work
Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:21 am
by MJA
Ginkgo wrote:Well done MJA, you must be The Internet Chat Room Whisperer. You have calmed everyone down.
Good work
The power of truth!
Be One,
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Re: What's stopping us from seeing the truth?
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:22 am
by Arising_uk
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Quit trying to change the subject, coward. Is that why you engage me, just to be nasty and rude?
Get a grip you big-girls blouse! I'm on the subject.
I make a statement minding my own business, and you just have to deliver an unsolicited answer in some sarcastic condescending way, grow up and take responsibility for a change. ...
On a public forum!! You want to mind your own business then PM your interlocutor otherwise expect responses idiot.
You seem to be such a child, arguing over the most ridiculous childlike things. You don't like me and I don't like you, as you are a nasty lying person. Oh, and the loon is only to be found in your mirror!
When will you get it through your head that its not to do with emotions and feelings and your delusions that someone is trying to deceive you, you paranoid loon! You'd not last ten minutes in an academic philosophy seminar with an attitude like that.
Its pretty much a truism that without existence there'd not be experience and without experience there'd not be 'knowledge' and without knowledge there'd not be true nor false, so in this sense all 'knowledge' is aposteriori. The point of the apriori and aposteriori classifications is that there appear to be propositions that are to be understood as true without the need of direct experience to confirm, "The grubblesnuckle exists or the grubblesnuckle does not exist", "The grubblesnuckle is grep or is not grep", "The grubblesnuckle cannot exist and not exist", "Its either raining or it is not raining"- apriori. "The grubblesnuckle exists", "The grubblesnuckle is blue or it is pink", "Its raining or its is sunny" - aposteriori.