Philosophy Now Forum

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

'Cheesy' is unforgivable to me. Cheesy and syrupy. I could never stand the Blue Danube waltz for that reason.

I know what you mean - that same reason I hate Mozart - EXCEPT that I heard the Blue Danube first at the age of eight whilst watching 2001; A Space Odyssey, and have never forgotten that. For me it summons up the cold majesty of space the optimism of the space race.

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

Interesting. I can't stand Bossa Nova for more than a few seconds. Emotionalism and cheesiness is almost a universal characteristic of today's mass media-produced music. From certain points of view (quite legitimate) it is a defect, and from others don't.

Bossa as great plaintive chords that give it great irony, though emotional. Voce vai ver and desifinato for example

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: 'Cheesy' is unforgivable to me. Cheesy and syrupy. I could never stand the Blue Danube waltz for that reason.

Well...we could get into a very long debate about what is and what is not cheesy. The boundaries are quite subjective, I think, and the definition of the word itself is not always the same when critics apply it. And sometimes cheesiness does not come in the music itself, but in the spectacle that surrounds it.

True. Cheesy can depend on fashion trends. 'Cheesy' Doris Day is now pretty trendy and 'retro'.
Two 'cheesy' songs I have always LOVED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiZPmQSQpsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMSr4O9tR8Q

MY GOD, that is pure Edam!!

Here's emotion. But even if you hate Bossa Nova you can appreciate those great chords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqoR9xZGWco

Hobbes' Choice wrote: I know what you mean - that same reason I hate Mozart - EXCEPT that I heard the Blue Danube first at the age of eight whilst watching 2001; A Space Odyssey, and have never forgotten that. For me it summons up the cold majesty of space the optimism of the space race.

Bah. Chitzy, cheesy guff.

Greta wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

Interesting. I can't stand Bossa Nova for more than a few seconds.

Here's a very tasty bluesy tune with a bossa rhythm that my last band used to cover - Kenny Burrell's Chitlins Con Carne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0flneNfaQ

I have no problems with cheese as long as it's fun, intentionally or otherwise. I don't like music that's headache-inducing these days. As a teen that my main aim was to make an exciting (to me) racket

I love that.

This is among the best thing anywhere in the world that came out of the early sixties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnxeKl- ... 0E3B52C924

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: I know what you mean - that same reason I hate Mozart - EXCEPT that I heard the Blue Danube first at the age of eight whilst watching 2001; A Space Odyssey, and have never forgotten that. For me it summons up the cold majesty of space the optimism of the space race.

Bah. Chitzy, cheesy guff.

Yes just like all Mozart; effette chintzed up aristos dancing in polite circles following court protocols of taste.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
This is among the best thing anywhere in the world that came out of the early sixties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnxeKl- ... 0E3B52C924

Ahh yes. I can see you now. A black stove-pipe suit with matching bow tie. Lights dimmed. Pouring a martini (shaken not stirred).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
This is among the best thing anywhere in the world that came out of the early sixties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnxeKl- ... 0E3B52C924

Ahh yes. I can see you now. A black stove-pipe suit with matching bow tie. Lights dimmed. Pouring a martini (shaken not stirred).

Except that I did not come to love Bossa Nova that way so your impression is based on your prejudice and your being ignorant of me.

I hated it for years, because it is played in elevators and lobbies, and 'on-hold'. Until I really listened.

This is magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KpIV57PSeo

Hobbes' Choice wrote: Except that I did not come to love Bossa Nova that way so your impression is based on your prejudice and your being ignorant of me.

I hated it for years, because it is played in elevators and lobbies, and 'on-hold'. Until I really listened.

I wasn't referring to Bossa Nova. Oh never mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRSpjq ... 39D098857D

If you want to remind yourself how puny we are.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: I know what you mean - that same reason I hate Mozart - EXCEPT that I heard the Blue Danube first at the age of eight whilst watching 2001; A Space Odyssey, and have never forgotten that. For me it summons up the cold majesty of space the optimism of the space race.

Bah. Chitzy, cheesy guff.

Yes just like all Mozart; effette chintzed up aristos dancing in polite circles following court protocols of taste.

There was nothing 'effete' about Mozart. In fact he was quite bawdy and earthy. He certainly didn't prance around giggling all the time. I think you are getting confused with the French court.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRSpjq ... 39D098857D

If you want to remind yourself how puny we are.

Nice. I wish some of those theists on the site would watch and take it in. Sometimes it seems like they think humans are the centre of the universe.

What is more remarkable and mind boggling is the distances between ourselves and the moon, the sun, and then the nearest star; which the video does not begin to convey.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Bah. Chitzy, cheesy guff.

Yes just like all Mozart; effette chintzed up aristos dancing in polite circles following court protocols of taste.

There was nothing 'effete' about Mozart. In fact he was quite bawdy and earthy. He certainly didn't prance around giggling all the time. I think you are getting confused with the French court.

Wow its like you knew him personally. Do you have a time machine?

Can I borrow it? I want to tell Beethoven that the wine he is drinking is killing is hearing, laced, as it was with lead.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Wow its like you knew him personally. Do you have a time machine?

Can I borrow it? I want to tell Beethoven that the wine he is drinking is killing is hearing, laced, as it was with lead.

I've read his letters. And yes, I did almost feel as if I knew him. There's quite a lot written about him as well. It wasn't exactly 'way back in the 'mists of time''.

'Mozart was an effete ponce.'
'Mozart is simple because he was a pampered biy that never grew up and did young.'

Oh really. Do you have a time machine? You could look up the 'strong, manly Beethoven'.

Hobbes, the Getz tune was just right for early morning. Ahhh.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRSpjq ... 39D098857D

If you want to remind yourself how puny we are.

Nice. I wish some of those theists on the site would watch and take it in. Sometimes it seems like they think humans are the centre of the universe.

What is more remarkable and mind boggling is the distances between ourselves and the moon, the sun, and then the nearest star; which the video does not begin to convey.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZRSpjq ... 39D098857D

If you want to remind yourself how puny we are.

Remember the old video Powers of Ten? That's on YT - I remember being enchanted and amazed by that video in the 80s.

Whenever I think of our insignificant "pale blue dot" I remember that there is about 59,720,000,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes of planet beneath my feet, extending 12,742kms downwards. We have tried to drill down to the centre of the Earth and, of the 6,371 kms distance, we now have only another 6,359 kms to go before reaching the Earth's centre.

We are small brown dots scuttling around the surface of a pale blue dot. On galactic scales we are a dot on a dot in a dot in a dot. I find the idea of being inconsequential comforting - not too much responsibility :)