Re: Christianity
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:38 pm
Why have you come to this site PN and why this particular thread?What am I, the clod on the bus, missing?
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Why have you come to this site PN and why this particular thread?What am I, the clod on the bus, missing?
Because I was a Christian for 50 years.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:38 pmWhy have you come to this site PN and why this particular thread?What am I, the clod on the bus, missing?
Metaphysics isn't about knowledge; it's about interpreting knowledge. Religion is what you do when you have fuck all knowledge.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:19 am Has metaphysics gained any more knowledge than religion, outside sensory experience?
(A good thread title in itself methinks.)
And the interpretation of knowledge, like Goedel's, can't produce knowledge? Open question. Religion is what you do to knowledge, with knowledge, after unwarranted, unjustified, untrue belief.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:44 pmMetaphysics isn't about knowledge; it's about interpreting knowledge. Religion is what you do when you have fuck all knowledge.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:19 am Has metaphysics gained any more knowledge than religion, outside sensory experience?
(A good thread title in itself methinks.)
I have the impression this isn't your first this evening. Why Goedel in particular? Alexis, among the odious halfwits who pollute this site, at least has the presence of mind to admit some humility and can, on occasion, be funny (well done, Gus).Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:47 pm...the interpretation of knowledge, like Goedel's, can't produce knowledge? Open question. Religion is what you do to knowledge, with knowledge, after unwarranted, unjustified, untrue belief.
I feel Alexis is trying to do that with metaphysics.
Time for a smoke.
That is simply false. I mean you are making a statement that is do highly prejudiced — and you are fully entitled to your view, naturally — but religion cannot be dismissed as an option for those with “fuck all” knowledge.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:44 pm Metaphysics isn't about knowledge; it's about interpreting knowledge. Religion is what you do when you have fuck all knowledge.
See that is actually one of the cores that undergirds all sorts of discord, in many areas, on many levels: hyper-arrogance.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:25 pm Alexis, among the odious halfwits who pollute this site
Yes! I like that better. Thanks, Wilbur!There is Alexis, the Hyperborean Apollo, down among the half-wits, shining a Golden Light …
: ) Alexis, you might annoy the hell out of me, but abuse like yours Will, is just not acceptable. And worse, it always redounds negatively to the abuser. You lose credibility.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:45 pmSee that is actually one of the cores that undergirds all sorts of discord, in many areas, on many levels: hyper-arrogance.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:25 pm Alexis, among the odious halfwits who pollute this site
Though I could interpret it favorably:
Yes! I like that better. Thanks, Wilbur!There is Alexis, the Hyperborean Apollo, down among the half-wits, shining a Golden Light …
It was my first, and, alas, not weed. Can't find my Pax Mini. Goedel as an analogy with his 2bd theory of incompleteness. I have nothing to [be] humble about.Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:25 pmI have the impression this isn't your first this evening. Why Goedel in particular? Alexis, among the odious halfwits who pollute this site, at least has the presence of mind to admit some humility and can, on occasion, be funny (well done, Gus).Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:47 pm...the interpretation of knowledge, like Goedel's, can't produce knowledge? Open question. Religion is what you do to knowledge, with knowledge, after unwarranted, unjustified, untrue belief.
I feel Alexis is trying to do that with metaphysics.
Time for a smoke.
Think it through: How much credibility did I start with? What have I actually lost? Eh?Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:11 pm : ) Alexis, you might annoy the hell out of me, but abuse like yours [of?] Will, is just not acceptable. And worse, it always redounds negatively to the abuser. You lose credibility.
I make it clear all the time, and I did again just recently. I am very interested in the cultural-political shift that is on-going. I am interested in, I became interested in, ultra-conservatism: the absolute metaphysical version of ur-conservatism. That led me to a consideration of “essences” (like quintessences). Nietzsche (principally Genealogy of Morals) had a large effect on me, as did Richard Weaver. Richard Weaver deals on moments in the ideational realm where missteps are taken. I am therefore, really interested in missteps and, naturally, the corrective movement — which certainly involves metaphysics.
No 'of'. Will is the abuser.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 12, 2025 12:57 amThink it through: How much credibility did I start with? What have I actually lost? Eh?Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 11, 2025 11:11 pm : ) Alexis, you might annoy the hell out of me, but abuse like yours [of?] Will, is just not acceptable. And worse, it always redounds negatively to the abuser. You lose credibility.
I think Will is just wonderful. I say that sincerely.
Good luck. I see no missteps, no corrective movement. Just bio-psycho-sociological determinism. Including in Christianity. Metaphysics just reinforces that.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 12, 2025 1:13 amI make it clear all the time, and I did again just recently. I am very interested in the cultural-political shift that is on-going. I am interested in, I became interested in, ultra-conservatism: the absolute metaphysical version of ur-conservatism. That led me to a consideration of “essences” (like quintessences). Nietzsche (principally Genealogy of Morals) had a large effect on me, as did Richard Weaver. Richard Weaver deals on moments in the ideational realm where missteps are taken. I am therefore, really interested in missteps and, naturally, the corrective movement — which certainly involves metaphysics.