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Try a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 7:32 pmLong understood who your main guide on this site defaults to! I suspect that eventually the complex tango of two losers trying to find each other will reach consummation.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:51 pm
Largely, what “IC” is to me is a whole range of ideas.
...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:24 am Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.
A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.
Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.
Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.
This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.
These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.
It's only valuable within limits.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:54 amTry a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 7:32 pmLong understood who your main guide on this site defaults to! I suspect that eventually the complex tango of two losers trying to find each other will reach consummation.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 4:51 pm
Largely, what “IC” is to me is a whole range of ideas.
I sympathise.Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:46 amIt's only valuable within limits.Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:54 amTry a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.
Agreed.Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:40 am...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:24 am Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.
A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.
Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.
Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.
This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.
These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.
Oh yes, the ephemeral ego-less state of awareness is Dasein, inflated Dasein as you say. Being there is more intense when ego does not intrude.Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:40 am...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 9:24 am Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.
A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.
Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.
Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.
This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.
These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.
I meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal
...have no fear!Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:33 pmI meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal
…and out of the toaster jumps a Pop-Tart with the unmistakable visage of The Virgin Maria …
I suggest you'd be better off communicating with those more like you...IC, for instanceAlexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:34 pm…and out of the toaster jumps a Pop-Tart with the unmistakable visage of The Virgin Maria …
You’re close, Dubious, I sense that the mysterious jambalaya is going to reveal momentous things!
...not my problem!
Of what practical use is "that sense"? That sense of 'noumenal" presumes there be such an "object" and fails to explain God's existence---- God as nature or God as nurture. Is God something we discover, or something we learn?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Aug 06, 2025 8:33 pmI meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal
The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.