A Philosophy of Mind

Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Barbara Brooks
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Descartes begins several different methods comes a new philosophy he cultivated, also physics, optics and modern mathematics and astronomy. His spirit of philosophy began thought and rejection of all presupposed hypotheses.

To Descartes nothing is true that does not posses inward evidence. “I think therefore I am” Descarteslike Fichte who later stated “I” as indubitably certain. Descartes seeked proof alone felt thought was more certain then body.
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Therefore there are two kinds of existence , one is seen and the other not seen. I mean the seen is the varying change and the not seen is eternal stay the same . An example of this is the mind and body to which kind may be said to be mind the seen or not seen? By seen and not seen that which is or is not visible to the eye.

Mind then is more like not to be unseen, and body is seen, to see or hear or perceive in anyway must have knowledge derived from the senses to refer to that which is.

A metaphorical image from Parmenides.

"Since the utmost limit of being is perfect, it resembles on every side the form of a well rounded sphere, which from its center extends in all directions equally, for it can be neither larger or smaller in one part or another. There is no non-being which prevents it from attaining to the like."

Whatever comes to be seen must have parts, but that which has no parts can never be seen absolute cannot exist, for then absolute would be no longer absolute and that being is determined by a relation among those identical to their respective spheres. Zeno proclaimed a beginning and an end are the limits of everything. In that case the one, having neither beginning nor end, is unlimited.
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The very paradoxes of Zeno's hypothesis of one and many, but the consequences of each other. If likeness is or is not, what will be the consequences of being and not being?

In a word anything we suppose either to be or not to be. because anything which comes into being can neither as yet be in that or thing while still coming into being, nor be altogether out of it, if already coming into being in it.

Zeno has proclaimed a beginning and an end are the limits of everything. In that case the one, having neither beginning nor end, is forever.
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The philosopher savior Zeus whispers in the ear of all philosophers there is no pleasure except that of wisdom believed the truest pleasures the highest degree attainable pleasure; seeks the guidance and company of reason lives after this manner and has nothing to do with any other.


Socrates believed philosophers need to look at things as they really are in the case of the jogger, who jogs well from the starting-place to the goal but not back again from the goal: they go off at a great speed, but in the end tiptoe away with their ears on their shoulders looking foolish without the crown.

The true jogger comes to the finish, receives the prize, and crown. This is the way with joggers who endure to the end have a good report and carry off the prize which society grants.
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If the most gifted minds if  liberated suddenly compelled  to stand up and    suffer the glare of knowledge will be able to see truth, not illusion



There are always  some  powerful causes  that try to destroy the gifted mind, wealth, rank, and connection, you know that sort of thing  have corrupting and distracting effect. Some of the most gifted minds when they are ill educated, are scarcely capable of any very great or evil, they are compelled to fight about the images or shadows of images.


Socrates believed that all seeds or germs whether vegetable or animal, when they fail to meet with proper nutriment, or climate, or soil, in proportion to their vigor are all the more sensitive to the want of a suitable environment, for wrongdoing is evil a greater enemy to what is good than to what is not.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:Socrates believed writers are guilty of making the gravest misstatements when they tell us that wicked men are happy, and that the good are miserable; or that injustice is profitable especially when undetected, and that justice is gain loss. Homer being but a man, attributing these feelings to Achilles, or in believing that they are truly him, was guilty of downright impiety. The insolence to Apollo, third in descent from Zeus, was passions, meanness, not untainted by avarice, combined with overweening contempt of gods and men.
I think Socrates was making a philosophy of language point, owning to the meaning in ancient Greek of the approximate words in English that you have mentioned. The meaning of this sort of dialectic is lost when translated as the connotations of meaning do not work in English in the same way.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:If the most gifted minds if  liberated suddenly compelled  to stand up and    suffer the glare of knowledge will be able to see truth, not illusion
Looks great, but not terribly coherent. A liberated mind cannot be said to be compelled to do anything, let alone 'stand up', else it would not be 'liberated'. It's not terribly grammatical either - I wonder what you are trying to say?


There are always  some  powerful causes  that try to destroy the gifted mind, wealth, rank, and connection, you know that sort of thing  have corrupting and distracting effect. Some of the most gifted minds when they are ill educated, are scarcely capable of any very great or evil, they are compelled to fight about the images or shadows of images.
Again - I think you really need to sort out some grammar here as your literal meaning seem strained. Is there supposed to be a full stop after 'gifted mind', or did you really want to include wealth, rank and connection in a list that 'powerful causes' try to destroy? The second sentence does not seem to mean anything. Maybe you should leave the generalities behind and get down to cases?
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Barbara Brooks wrote:The philosopher savior Zeus whispers in the ear of all philosophers there is no pleasure except that of wisdom believed the truest pleasures the highest degree attainable pleasure; seeks the guidance and company of reason lives after this manner and has nothing to do with any other.


Socrates believed philosophers need to look at things as they really are in the case of the jogger, who jogs well from the starting-place to the goal but not back again from the goal: they go off at a great speed, but in the end tiptoe away with their ears on their shoulders looking foolish without the crown.

The true jogger comes to the finish, receives the prize, and crown. This is the way with joggers who endure to the end have a good report and carry off the prize which society grants.
I've just noticed that you seem to be the only one that has contributed to this thread... I feel as if I have walked into an otherwise empty elevator that is in danger of stalling between the next two floors.
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chaz wyman wrote:

(You are sounding like an idiot. Falsifiability and verifiability have not been mentioned so far so you have no evidence with which to press home your false claim)

I bet you say that about everyone except of course yourself.

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Barbara Brooks wrote:chaz wyman wrote:

(You are sounding like an idiot. Falsifiability and verifiability have not been mentioned so far so you have no evidence with which to press home your false claim)

I bet you say that about everyone except of course yourself.

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No I restrict such comments to people that make false claims, and who sound like idiots.
So you loose your bet.
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What creates the spirit of philosophy is not to be found anywhere in the area of one-sided opinion or clever turns of phrases, half remarks and half conversations. Philosophy would vanish like the forms of dreams without knowledge which articulates contradictions.

Midway between senses and thought is knowledge. What is best in knowledge lays in scientific character. The very soul of all knowledge has gone before is the simple bareness of infinity, we can only understand what we sense, because thought does not belong to perception. Knowledge is a process of understanding of all that has gone before called universal blood or the mind of the world.

There is no other method of comprehending truth or of determining what each thing is in nature. The spirit of philosophy cultivated for many ages by the most illustrious people, yet there is not a single matter which is still not in question, nothing is above doubt there can be but one true just as false, all is probable. We must never refrain from knowledge no matter what criticism is about.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:What creates the spirit of philosophy is not to be found anywhere in the area of one-sided opinion or clever turns of phrases, half remarks and half conversations. Philosophy would vanish like the forms of dreams without knowledge which articulates contradictions.

Midway between senses and thought is knowledge. What is best in knowledge lays in scientific character. The very soul of all knowledge has gone before is the simple bareness of infinity, we can only understand what we sense, because thought does not belong to perception. Knowledge is a process of understanding of all that has gone before called universal blood or the mind of the world.

There is no other method of comprehending truth or of determining what each thing is in nature. The spirit of philosophy cultivated for many ages by the most illustrious people, yet there is not a single matter which is still not in question, nothing is above doubt there can be but one true just as false, all is probable. We must never refrain from knowledge no matter what criticism is about.
Philosophy is about dialogue, not self satisfied and often ungrammatical monologue.
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Philosophy is about knowledge, the love of knowledge. The philosophical mind always loves knowledge that shows the everlasting not opining which you seem to do a lot of.
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Barbara Brooks wrote:Philosophy is about knowledge, the love of knowledge. The philosophical mind always loves knowledge that shows the everlasting not opining which you seem to do a lot of.
You are crazy. You have got 125 pages of verbal diarrhoea in this thread alone, with no reference to knowledge or interaction with reason. You are also flying against the idea of a FORUM, by failing to invite critique or comment - and the massive irony in all this is that you are accusing me of 'opining'.
This is priceless!!
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You do it accumulate 125 pages of writing it can be fact or opinion.
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