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Terrapin Station wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Terrapin Station wrote:Couldn't disagree more with that.

Would you care to furnish some examples?

Just about every song/piece I've ever written, every painting I've ever done, any fiction I've ever written, for one.

Your existence is a political act. The choices you make everyday impact on the society you partake of.

Can we see a painting?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Would I be right in thinking that you consider "politics" to be something you do in a booth every four years with a pen?

I try to not even do that any longer--because I'm trying to avoid jury duty, and the people I'd vote for are never going to win anyway. (I'd be voting for Libertarians and Greens mostly.)

Re "politics" I'm fine with definitions like these: "activities that relate to influencing the actions and policies of a government or getting and keeping power in a government," and "the opinions that someone has about what should be done by governments."

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Your existence is a political act. The choices you make everyday impact on the society you partake of.

Can we see a painting?

Things only have the meanings that people assign to them (and only insofar as they do that).

Oh, and re the other question, I like to remain anonymous online.

Terrapin Station wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Would I be right in thinking that you consider "politics" to be something you do in a booth every four years with a pen?

I try to not even do that any longer--because I'm trying to avoid jury duty, and the people I'd vote for are never going to win anyway. (I'd be voting for Libertarians and Greens mostly.)

Re "politics" I'm fine with definitions like these: "activities that relate to influencing the actions and policies of a government or getting and keeping power in a government," and "the opinions that someone has about what should be done by governments."

Avoid jury duty?? Just how likely is that?? In my book avoiding jury duty and not registering to vote still counts as a political act.

Terrapin Station wrote:I like to remain anonymous online.

Probably a wise political act.

Shame though since many of us have shared their art.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Avoid jury duty?? Just how likely is that??

In the US you only do jury duty if you're registered to vote.

Terrapin Station wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:Avoid jury duty?? Just how likely is that??

In the US you only do jury duty if you're registered to vote.

I know - obvious ain't it.
You mean ridiculously unlikely.
What do you not like about the prospect of Jury duty - are you on the run?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:What do you not like about the prospect of Jury duty - are you on the run?

It was just a pain in the ass. You only need to serve once every three years, but I was getting notices every 2-3 months that I had to send back, and it was getting to be more of a pain than it had been to document when I'd not be able to serve because I'd be on the road.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:Another song from Latin America's song book: Para Decir Adiós (To Say Goodbye), duet by Danny Rivera and Eydie Gourme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvl13C-gAc

Yuk.

Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:Another song from Latin America's song book: Para Decir Adiós (To Say Goodbye), duet by Danny Rivera and Eydie Gourme:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvl13C-gAc

Yuk.

Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Yuk.

Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

Interesting. I can't stand Bossa Nova for more than a few seconds. Emotionalism and cheesiness is almost a universal characteristic of today's mass media-produced music. From certain points of view (quite legitimate) it is a defect, and from others don't.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Yuk.

Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

'Cheesy' is unforgivable to me. Cheesy and syrupy. I could never stand the Blue Danube waltz for that reason.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

'Cheesy' is unforgivable to me. Cheesy and syrupy. I could never stand the Blue Danube waltz for that reason.

Well...we could get into a very long debate about what is and what is not cheesy. The boundaries are quite subjective, I think, and the definition of the word itself is not always the same when critics apply it. And sometimes cheesiness does not come in the music itself, but in the spectacle that surrounds it.

Conde Lucanor wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

'Cheesy' is unforgivable to me. Cheesy and syrupy. I could never stand the Blue Danube waltz for that reason.

Well...we could get into a very long debate about what is and what is not cheesy. The boundaries are quite subjective, I think, and the definition of the word itself is not always the same when critics apply it. And sometimes cheesiness does not come in the music itself, but in the spectacle that surrounds it.

True. Cheesy can depend on fashion trends. 'Cheesy' Doris Day is now pretty trendy and 'retro'.
Two 'cheesy' songs I have always LOVED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiZPmQSQpsk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMSr4O9tR8Q

Conde Lucanor wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Conde Lucanor wrote: Oh, sure, many people feels like that, too. Can't blame them, nor we can blame the ones that are pleased with it.

I'm a sucker for Bossa Nova, but the emotionalism and cheesey instrumentation in other Latin forms can get to me.

Interesting. I can't stand Bossa Nova for more than a few seconds.

Here's a very tasty bluesy tune with a bossa rhythm that my last band used to cover - Kenny Burrell's Chitlins Con Carne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP0flneNfaQ

I have no problems with cheese as long as it's fun, intentionally or otherwise. I don't like music that's headache-inducing these days. As a teen that my main aim was to make an exciting (to me) racket :)