Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 9:41 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 7:07 pm
Will Bouwman wrote: ↑Fri Aug 01, 2025 1:59 pm
Doesn't it strike you as fishy that omnipotent gods have to communicate with us via humans?
Come on now, Will, even our own pop culture has given us hints as to why the Gods cannot risk giving humans the "Full Monty," so to speak.
In other words, I suggest that the Creator of this strange and opaque dimension of reality we momentarily reside within, employs a sort of Star Trekian
"prime directive" so as not to disrupt the integrity and functionality of what is, in truth, a grand
"cosmic womb" that is designed to awaken new eternal souls into existence.
Furthermore, in practical terms, if the universe is indeed the "womb" of a higher Being,...
(and, yes, I realize that that's a big if)
...
then it would be literally impossible for this higher Being to reveal her [his/its] true and ultimate form to the "womblings" (to her embryos) while they're still held within the fabric of her being,...
...thus, she uses humans themselves as a lower (and proxy) means of communicating with them in order to inform them of her existence.
Are you a member of the
"twin two" group of humans in my little soap opera --
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/fuck- ... -%E2%80%A6 -- or are you somewhere in between?
Anyway, as I keep trying to point out (make that - humbly suggest), the truth of reality is far more
"natural" and
"organic" and
"wonderful" than what this temporary
"gestation" period leads us to believe.
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Why? Why can't they reveal Love?
First of all (and speculatively speaking, of course)...
...I suggest that there is no
"they" when it comes to the Creator of what we call a universe, for just as your own mind has only
one "I Am-ness," likewise, the same applies to this closed bubble of reality in which we momentarily reside,...
...for it (our universe) is simply the unfathomably advanced and ordered
mind of a singular
* lifeform (in whose image we [our minds] have been created).
*(Again, there is no "they" in the makeup of God's being.)
This thread is about
"Christianity," and what most Christians fail to understand is that
if humans are indeed
"...created in the image of God..." then, logically,
what we are can be turned around and applied to God.
Does anyone see or sense the presence of, for example, a
"Trinity" in the makeup of your mind?
No, we don't, for it is a false concept that was arbitrarily conjured up by a bunch of confused and smelly old men in a council that was convened 325 years after the death of Jesus.
The truth is that we and God (and Jesus) are each sovereign and autonomous entities unto ourselves, and who are each in possession of our own private and autonomous universe (mind).
And, of course,
what we truly are has nothing to do with our physical bodies, for they are discarded (like placental afterbirth) at the moment of death.
No, what we (and God) truly are, are minds that are owned and presided over by living, conscious, self-aware
"agents" (again,
"I Am-nesses") who are each capable of willfully shaping the infinitely malleable (holographic-like) fabric of their minds into absolutely anything
"imaginable" (take the near infinite features of this universe, for example).
How much more obvious can the parallel between our minds and the mind of God (the universe) be?
You highlighted this...
seeds wrote:...then it would be literally impossible for this higher Being to reveal her [his/its] true and ultimate form to the "womblings" (to her embryos) while they're still held within the fabric of her being,...
...and asked
"Why?"
It is for the same reason that we could not literally see (or consciously apprehend) our human mother's
"...true and ultimate form..." while we were still held within
her womb.
We needed to be born out of the fabric of her being and into the
"higher level of consciousness" and the higher (outer) context of reality where her true form was presented.
Well, I suggest that the same scenario applies to our second and final birth into
"true reality" where God's true and ultimate form, along with our own ultimate form (the same form as God) will finally be revealed to us.
The Bible wrote:"...it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is..."
In other words, even though God can make her (his/its) presence and existence known to us right now through various means, nevertheless, until we are literally
"born into" the higher context of, again,
"true reality" and into the
"higher consciousness" that comes with that second
** birth,...
...we are simply (and literally) not capable of seeing (or apprehending) what God's (and our) ultimate (and eternal) form truly is, or what it truly looks like.
**"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water [via the human womb] and of the Spirit [via death], he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit....
...Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."
(Marvel not that I use ^^^quotes from the Bible^^^ in a thread dealing with "Christianity." 
And, yes, I have no problem with the issue of cherry-picking the verses that support my arguments. 
)
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