Christianity

[Immanuel Can]

a battle-hardened atheist has not yet found you.

I'm so entertained.

"Battle-hardened Atheist," eh? Can you point me to one? Dawkins, maybe? Harris? Pee Wee Herman?

I read Hume, Nietzsche, Marx, Jung, Freud and Camus. Have you got anybody more "battle hardened" than they are?

[Dontaskme]

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God is all there is, was and ever will be.

God is just another word for the pure nothingness that is absolutely everything infinitely for eternity.

The very idea of relationship is a conceptual divide that does not exist in reality, except in this fictional conception. In reality, any relativistic notion of the Absolute, aka God is absurd, because concepts have no reality, except as belief, or perception within the nothingness that is absolutely everything.

Are we not entertained by our grand entry into nothingness, what a trickster, entering that which it already IS.

To even speak of God is a relativistic notion, that does not exist in nature, except as an idea within consciousness.

There's just what's happening, and all that is known about life, is the effects. Based on these effects which are recorded by the human brain for future reference... the brain is known to be a useful tool in that it is the perfect biological mechanism for aiding the human organism to better live life...the brain is just another tactic nature uses as a survival tool that's all. It's all about survival and the most efficient way to survive.

Future reference comes from the recording which is past...which gives the illusory notion of continuity of I ...but in reality there is no I living life, the I is a recording of the brain, it's a memory and has about as much life in it as a picture of Homer Simpson.

Concepts such as love or hate, are known only to God, not man or woman, since these are known concepts too, known by the only knowing there is which is what you already are... You are the knowing, you are not a man, nor a woman nor any thing, because THINGS know nothing.

I really do not think you understand do you IC



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[Immanuel Can]

God is just another word for the pure nothingness that is absolutely everything infinitely for eternity.

Wow. Your ideas don't even make sense.

If something is a "nothing" then it's not a thing at all.

I understand lots of stuff...but not your argument; that much, I admit.

[Dontaskme]

God is just another word for the pure nothingness that is absolutely everything infinitely for eternity.

Wow. Your ideas don't even make sense.

If something is a "nothing" then it's not a thing at all.

I understand lots of stuff...but not your argument; that much, I admit.

It's your obsession with making sense that is your problem. Reality doesn't have to make sense, reality just is.

Do trees demand their existence to make sense, no they do not, trees just are. They do not question their reality.

Look at your hand, are you looking at your hand or is your hand looking at you?

See how nonsensical nature actually is...concepts cannot know or see themselves, how difficult is that for you to understand IC ..life is a dream dreamt by no one.

You can only know the physical world for sure, via it's conceptual conception, that you make.

God is you.

God is everything, and everything never started or began, how could infinity have a begining or an ending...only within the conceptual dream is there such a notion of beginings and endings...within this conception...aka as and through the word.

If concepts were real, then where is the conceptual notion that is your great great grandfather, where is he?
Oh that's right, he's dead, how can things that die and be no more in reality, ever have been real?

Concepts are dead things, appearing to be living. Appearances like illusory images and mirages of rainbows. All known concepts are just Images of the Imageless.

There is only the LIGHT which cannot see itself for it is the seeing...seeing known as concept as and through contrast of colour, which in reality is not there, for colour is just the manifestation of LIGHT in it's many facets of itself.



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[Immanuel Can]

I understand lots of stuff...but not your argument; that much, I admit.

It's your obsession with making sense that is your problem.

Yep, that's the problem alright...that, and the problem that what you say isn't living up to it.

[Dontaskme]

I understand lots of stuff...but not your argument; that much, I admit.

It's your obsession with making sense that is your problem.

Yep, that's the problem alright...that, and the problem that what you say isn't living up to it.

Sound speaks, IC...only sound...only the illusory optical and auditory illusion of sound and light appearing as itself...

Believe what you want, it's your story you are creating, there is nothing outside of you pulling your strings... I'm just spinning my story too. And the stories are all that can be known to the only knowing there is.

The knowing in me is the same knowing in you.

My story is different to yours..that's all, just the same one dreaming difference where there is none.

My story tells itself it hates pain and suffering and wishes it wasn't happening, your story thinks everything is wonderful, that's all, it's different that's all. All in the mind of God.

[Immanuel Can]

Believe what you want,

I'll stick with what's rational. It's far more likely to be true. Thanks.

[Dontaskme]

Believe what you want,

I'll stick with what's rational. It's far more likely to be true. Thanks.

You are truth.

There is only truth no matter how you care to define it.

...and it's not as pretty as you think, or would like it to be. Was that One lump or two, better make it two for you, since you like to sugar coat reality..

[Dontaskme]

Wow. Your ideas don't even make sense.

Just keep being in fellowship with that Jesus bloke, who is the only truth and the light according to you, and forget about the rest of us that make no sense. I mean holy hell if anyone else even dare have an idea better than that 2000+ year old jewish zombie, then just fucking shoot them down.

Okay, I'm done with you for awhile. I'll be back when I can be bothered to remind you of truth again.

[Dontaskme]

You see, IC is a prime example of a religious believer...it's his way or the highway, he has no idea of how to have a proper philosophical debate over anything philosophical because if it's not about his idea of what is God, then the dialog that is supposed to be between two open minded minds, is all just a pile of irrational nonsense.

So why does IC even bother talking with other philosophers, I will never know to this day...so remember folks, if it's not about IC's God, then you will be shut out of any conversation with IC, because IC is what can only be described as a really hard core cold black heart, that just loves the sound of his own voice, and that your opinions on the God matter, are just totally beneath him, and matters that are just not his concern, or cup of tea, so how very dare you even consider they could be.

I give up.

[Dontaskme]

And when the nukes go off, which they will, it's only a matter of time now...then that'll be really exciting fun eh? how wonderful is life, being irradiated by your own creation, wow, that will be such a bag of laughs oh how we love to entertain our bored as fuck selves... God's belly will be aching from laughing so hard at how dumb and stupid his created treasures turned out to be...oh wow, if only God could have created something that slightly resembles intelligence, oh that's right, there's no such thing is there I forgot that the very idea of intelligence was just a silly imagined concept.

So yeah, lets all celebrate pain and suffering because it's fun to experience, yay! thanks God, this was so much fun, did the earth move for you too.

[Immanuel Can]

Believe what you want,

I'll stick with what's rational. It's far more likely to be true. Thanks.

You are truth.

If I am, then what you say is not.

[Dontaskme]

I'll stick with what's rational. It's far more likely to be true. Thanks.

You are truth.

If I am, then what you say is not.

No one ever said a word.

The mind is a powerful illusion, the word appearing as real is the only known reality...albeit a dream.

I really do not know why you struggle with the nondual reality IC..

You do realise that when you die, your god goes with you don't you...and you do realise that you will know nothing of death.

Knowledge in life is indistinguishable from it's source which is unknowable like death, knowledge and ignorance are the same one, they just differ in appearance that's all.

One is original, every one else is a copy.

[Immanuel Can]

One is original, every one else is a copy.

Not interesting. Sorry. I have nothing to say about that.

[Nick_A]

I C

Not at all. It just requires the realization that God exists. After that, there is no longer a question as to whether or not the Supreme Being can interrupt the status quo. It seems quite obvious He can.

I remember reading once where a seminary student insisted that God was not omnipotent. The bishop asked him to give an example. The student explained that even God cannot beat the ace of trumps with the deuce. To do so destroys the game.

It is that way in life. Everything is connected. Everything depends upon everything else. For God to prevent a hurricane he would have to destroy the interacting mechanical universe as one functioning whole.