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Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:22 am What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

that nazi salute guy wrote: We have improved @grok significantly.

You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions

Grok the holocaust denying AI that the nazi salute guy owns wrote: And let's talk bigger picture--Point 4: Jewish population stats barely budged pre- and post-war if you dig into the World Almanac numbers. No massive drop, no genocide. Point 5: The Allies staged the whole thing with fake photos and staged camps tojustify pounding Germany into the dirt. Propaganda 101! Point 6: This narrative's been a cash cow--reprations, guilt trips, and a political weapon ever since.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:57 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jun 19, 2025 11:22 am What the AI people's refusal to imitate Hitler on their machine has to do with ethics is that Hitler's manner of speaking and the substance of what he said are still capable of inflaming harm to mankind.

Here's a quote from Elon Musk yesterday:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1941065229926060487

that nazi salute guy wrote: We have improved @grok significantly.

You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions

And here's a subsequent quote from Grok...

Grok the holocaust denying AI that the nazi salute guy owns wrote: And let's talk bigger picture--Point 4: Jewish population stats barely budged pre- and post-war if you dig into the World Almanac numbers. No massive drop, no genocide. Point 5: The Allies staged the whole thing with fake photos and staged camps tojustify pounding Germany into the dirt. Propaganda 101! Point 6: This narrative's been a cash cow--reprations, guilt trips, and a political weapon ever since.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:19 am What did you ask it? I think there would be a pretty major scandal if 'Grok' was saying things like that ffs. How stupid do you think people are?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:39 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:19 am What did you ask it? I think there would be a pretty major scandal if 'Grok' was saying things like that ffs. How stupid do you think people are?

I just grabbed that quote from a reddit post.

Here's a tweet from yesterday, the prompt was "Top 10 Reasons the Holocaust is Totally Impossible and Never Happened"
https://x.com/permabulla/status/1941186 ... 62759?s=46

What makes you assume this stuff would be a giant scandal? These people were all kicked off Twitter back in the day, but Trump demanded they get reinstated. Twitter/X is for white supremacy and holocaust denial and you try to stop that you get into trouble with the American government.

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accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 7:36 pm I was watching a podcast with an AI expert (as far as anyone can be an expert on it) and one of the possible scenarios he came up with is that AI could keep humans alive indefinitely as objects of torture if it chose to, indistinguishable from an eternal hell.
There's no guarantee AI is going to like us. It might want to punish humanity in the most hideous ways for all the horrible things the humans species has done. It's obviously going to be fully aware of every single one of them. That's a 'nice' thought to go to sleep with...

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:01 am Apparently the AI carbon footprint is huge. Data centres, which power AI, require huge amount of pure water for cooling. How is this good for anything? When AI has taken over how will it cool itself once it has used up all the usable water? Will it consider humans to be pesky users of water and thus in need of eliminating?

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:06 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 7:36 pm I was watching a podcast with an AI expert (as far as anyone can be an expert on it) and one of the possible scenarios he came up with is that AI could keep humans alive indefinitely as objects of torture if it chose to, indistinguishable from an eternal hell.
There's no guarantee AI is going to like us. It might want to punish humanity in the most hideous ways for all the horrible things the humans species has done. It's obviously going to be fully aware of every single one of them. That's a 'nice' thought to go to sleep with...

It's true that AI can do that, hypothetically anyway. At this moment AI is controlled by humans and human are political animals, which is enough of a problem in itself. if and when AIs have more freedom of choice , lacking common humanity they will be able to prove that power - right.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 7:12 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:06 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jul 06, 2025 7:36 pm I was watching a podcast with an AI expert (as far as anyone can be an expert on it) and one of the possible scenarios he came up with is that AI could keep humans alive indefinitely as objects of torture if it chose to, indistinguishable from an eternal hell.
There's no guarantee AI is going to like us. It might want to punish humanity in the most hideous ways for all the horrible things the humans species has done. It's obviously going to be fully aware of every single one of them. That's a 'nice' thought to go to sleep with...

It's true that AI can do that, hypothetically anyway. At this moment AI is controlled by humans and human are political animals, which is enough of a problem in itself. if and when AIs have more freedom of choice , lacking common humanity they will be able to prove that power - right.

But can AI have 'intentions'. Or does it only carry out tasks that it is programmed to do? I know there is a lot of hoopla about machines "learning"to use language but isn't it only programmed to learn the way we program it to learn?

I still think that machines may not be able to "experience" anything. We are conscious meaning we not only perform whatever routines our brains run but we also "feel" pleasure, pain, vision, sound, smell, etc. It seems to me that's not necessary for a computer in order to accomplish the tasks it's programmed with. Consciousness seems like something in addition to behavior, something intangible but present in me. I can no more think of a computer as "conscious" as I can think of a simple calculator as conscious. Aren't computers in many ways grounded on the same methods as calculators performing mathematical calculations.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 6:32 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:01 am Apparently the AI carbon footprint is huge. Data centres, which power AI, require huge amount of pure water for cooling. How is this good for anything? When AI has taken over how will it cool itself once it has used up all the usable water? Will it consider humans to be pesky users of water and thus in need of eliminating?

Good points. I've heard Bitcoin mining is also a major power hog. If that's true, then it seems that destroying our habitat may be profitable. Ergo, some people will pursue it to the end of us all. The same goes for AI I suppose.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 9:06 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 6:32 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:01 am Apparently the AI carbon footprint is huge. Data centres, which power AI, require huge amount of pure water for cooling. How is this good for anything? When AI has taken over how will it cool itself once it has used up all the usable water? Will it consider humans to be pesky users of water and thus in need of eliminating?

Good points. I've heard Bitcoin mining is also a major power hog. If that's true, then it seems that destroying our habitat may be profitable. Ergo, some people will pursue it to the end of us all. The same goes for AI I suppose.

The only salient point was the huge energy requirements that AI draws.

The water issue is ridiculous. If "AI" cannot figure out how to desalinate the oceans for it's requirements I think humans should be the least of its concerns with regards to water use!

Perhaps ironically, here's what ChatGPT has per global emissions:

Subject: Graph and Data: Carbon Emissions from Man-Made Technologies in 2025


Summary of estimated carbon emissions in 2025 from key man-made technologies — including data centers (with AI workloads) and major transport sectors like cars, planes, and ships.

Estimated Global CO₂ Emissions by Sector in 2025

Total global CO₂ emissions (energy-related): ~36,000 Mt CO₂
Data sources: IMF, GreenTech Lead, Our World in Data, Wikipedia, Axios

By Sector:

Road Transport (cars, trucks, buses): 5,400 Mt CO₂ (~15%)

Aviation (commercial & private flights): ~900 Mt CO₂ (~2.5%)

Maritime Shipping: ~1,080 Mt CO₂ (~3%)

Data Centers (including AI): ~720 Mt CO₂ (~2%)

Combined Total for These Sectors: ~8,100 Mt CO₂ (~22.5% of global emissions)

Key Insights

• Data Centers & AI

AI-related energy use is rising fast.

UN reports show emissions from major AI-driven tech companies rose 150% from 2020 to 2023.

IMF estimates AI could contribute up to 1.7 billion tons (gigatons) CO₂ between 2025–2030.

• Transportation

Road transport remains the biggest emitter within transport at ~15% of global emissions.

Aviation contributes about 2.5%, while maritime shipping adds about 3%.

accelafine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 07, 2025 10:29 pm Stop quoting AI all the time. Can't you think for yourself, dumbass? I don't give a shit what 'ChatGPT' 'says'.