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godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:18 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:07 pm Most Muslims who reside in Europe are in fact native to Europe. Muslims in Europe agree with Christian and other Europeans that criminal gangs should be punished as soon as possible, and prevented from operating on the future.

The "far right" doesn't want to just deal with these gangs. They are looking for reasons to attack the Muslim population in general. They don't like Islam. That is what it is really about.

It's a bit like Israel pretending that they want to take out just Hamas. Nobody believes that. They want to deliberately kill lots of Palestinians hoping to intimidate them. They obviously won't succeed in doing that.

In the meanwhile, the "far right" are also getting nervous because the Muslims still reproduce or immigrate while the native European population increasingly fails to sustain itself demographically.

As I have pointed out before, I am perfectly fine that they attack because ultimately there is only one outcome possible. Just let the "far right" start their civil war if they want to.

Is that why they gave warnings and dropped fliers to tell people to leave the areas being targeted? Why they are giving aid, and escorting people to safety? Who else does that? WTF did you expect Israel to do after what was done to them?

Btw, is there any group of people you DON'T hate?

How exactly are you going to make 'atheism', something that only 'exists' as something that doesn't exist inside people's minds, disappear? Lobotomise everyone?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:37 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:50 pm
I personally believe in the "great replacement" theory. The atheist, woke, feminist, LGBTQ native population of Europe is simply going to disappear. Atheism will disappear because it is not sustainable.

My read of you — what I have read in this thread — is that you are dishonest as to what you really value and advocate for.

Actually you come across as supporting the angry mood that informs so-called “Far Right” populism, while baiting that Far Right to take •action• in a civil war. You seem to despise the woke crowd, those weaklings and deviants of the LGBTQ “community” and imply that their weakness cannot stand up to Islamic commitment. A sort of nihilistic cynicism comes out strongly with your comment about what you’d spit, piss and shit on …

All of this is mostly just noise and (perhaps?) trolling.

I personally think that the so-called "core European values" are a collection of utmost detestable beliefs. Indeed, they make anybody who adopts them weak. They are unsustainable. They are undoubtedly worse than communism.

It is obviously not about what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Nobody cares about that. It doesn't mean, however, that they should be allowed to sexualize public life with their one hundred different brands of deviations. I just don't want to know about other people's shenanigans in the bedroom.

Concerning civil war, upon closer inspection, I do not believe that the "far right" will be able to start one. In my impression, they won't be able to take over the state either. They may have a large following but they are actually very weak. Again, the number of followers does not matter particularly much. It is the number of people willing to risk their lives and die for what they believe in, that matters. The "far right" probably have close to none. In fact, they are laughable individuals.

The "far right" hate Islam and the Muslims but their own alternative is incredibly inferior. Even their own erstwhile grand leader, Adolf Hitler, insisted on that. Hitler very well knew that the so-called "core European values" are just a pile steaming shit. These so-called "values" were complete shit back then already and in the meantime the problem has only become worse.

Hitler could impossibly have done anything about that because he wasted most of his his time going off on a useless tangent of hating other people designated for that purpose. What was even the point? He then put the cherry on the cake by starting a bunch of useless wars.

The one thing that Hitler got right, amongst all his glaring errors, is that the so-called "core European values" are total shit. In that sense, he could have saved Europe, but he didn't. He was too much of a hater for that.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:15 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:50 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:12 pm What do you mean by "only one outcome is possible"?

The end result can only be that the Muslims are going to take over. Either it happens because of the demographic evolution, or else, because the "far right" loses the civil war that they started. The "far right" will merely speed up what demography would otherwise do anyway.

But then again, concerning a civil war, the "far right" is in my opinion not capable of starting one, even if they manage to grab control over the state, which I do not believe that they can do either. The following is what they are up against:

https://www.dw.com/en/will-german-far-r ... a-70531838

Will Germany's far-right AfD party be banned?

German lawmakers from across the political spectrum are working together to ban the Alternative for Germany party, which has been classified as partly right-wing extremist. Can they succeed?

In the meanwhile, the native European population as a whole is losing the long game because they fail to reproduce. Furthermore, the problem is only going to get worse.

Google: In 2022, the total fertility rate in the EU was 1.46 live births per woman.

They cannot possibly sustain this fertility rate.

Google: In 2022, the fertility rate in South Korea was 0.78 births per woman.

In the next few decades, the fertility rate will fall deep below the current fertility rate in South Korea. In my opinion, in the EU, even a fertility rate of 0.78 is not sustainable. It is going to become much lower than that.

I personally believe in the "great replacement" theory. The atheist, woke, feminist, LGBTQ native population of Europe is simply going to disappear. Atheism will disappear because it is not sustainable.

But one does not mind if Muslims take over. What would be disastrous is if militaristic and right wing regimes took over.

Ditto 'atheists'. As long as the so called atheists are liberal and rule with reason and kindness it matters not what mythology or ontology inspires them.

Then why is it that nearly all muslim countries are authoritarian theocracies? Is that really what you want? Clearly that's what most muslims want.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:24 am Then why is it that nearly all muslim countries are authoritarian theocracies? Is that really what you want? Clearly that's what most muslims want.

Only the Shia (Iran, Lebanon) agree to put clergy in positions of political power. The vast majority of Muslims are Sunni. It is historically not a Sunni practice at all to do that.

For example, the Ottoman empire was not governed by a clerical bureaucracy.

It was governed by foreign slaves, all the way up to the vizier (prime minister) and the Sultan. The largest part of the army and the navy, including generals and admirals, were also foreign slaves.

They appointed clerical scholars only to the judiciary, which were supposed to be independent. Those were pretty much the only natives in government service.

The Sultan himself was always the son of a foreign slave girl, generation after generation. Their favorite recruitment ground was Ukraine. So, the majority of bureaucrats, all the way to the top, were ethnically of Ukrainian ancestry.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:16 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:18 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:07 pm Most Muslims who reside in Europe are in fact native to Europe. Muslims in Europe agree with Christian and other Europeans that criminal gangs should be punished as soon as possible, and prevented from operating on the future.

The "far right" doesn't want to just deal with these gangs. They are looking for reasons to attack the Muslim population in general. They don't like Islam. That is what it is really about.

It's a bit like Israel pretending that they want to take out just Hamas. Nobody believes that. They want to deliberately kill lots of Palestinians hoping to intimidate them. They obviously won't succeed in doing that.

In the meanwhile, the "far right" are also getting nervous because the Muslims still reproduce or immigrate while the native European population increasingly fails to sustain itself demographically.

As I have pointed out before, I am perfectly fine that they attack because ultimately there is only one outcome possible. Just let the "far right" start their civil war if they want to.

Is that why they gave warnings and dropped fliers to tell people to leave the areas being targeted? Why they are giving aid, and escorting people to safety? Who else does that? WTF did you expect Israel to do after what was done to them?

Btw, is there any group of people you DON'T hate?

How exactly are you going to make 'atheism', something that only 'exists' as something that doesn't exist inside people's minds, disappear? Lobotomise everyone?

It's silly to hate. Much better to address the causes of genocide, address the causes of deliberately causing foreign babies to freeze to death, what are the causes of deliberately destroying people's hospitals, what causes militant politicians to deliberately steal people's farms and lands, what are the causes of encouraging criminal settlers to kill and steal, what are the causes of bullying by the stronger over the weaker.
Accelafine does not value civilisation if she seeks to excuse crimes against humanity. What Hamas does is no excuse nor reason for Israel's crimes .Israel's crimes on an industrial scale. God knows what media Accelafine reads!

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Starmer’s deflection is.. crazy.


Starmer and Badenoch clash over grooming gang inquiry, during Prime Minister’s Question Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbf-L7kEbHA


..making it all about himself, not the victims.. the refusal to prosecute the guilty, is mind-boggling.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 1:55 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:16 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:18 pm
The "far right" doesn't want to just deal with these gangs. They are looking for reasons to attack the Muslim population in general. They don't like Islam. That is what it is really about.

It's a bit like Israel pretending that they want to take out just Hamas. Nobody believes that. They want to deliberately kill lots of Palestinians hoping to intimidate them. They obviously won't succeed in doing that.

In the meanwhile, the "far right" are also getting nervous because the Muslims still reproduce or immigrate while the native European population increasingly fails to sustain itself demographically.

As I have pointed out before, I am perfectly fine that they attack because ultimately there is only one outcome possible. Just let the "far right" start their civil war if they want to.

Is that why they gave warnings and dropped fliers to tell people to leave the areas being targeted? Why they are giving aid, and escorting people to safety? Who else does that? WTF did you expect Israel to do after what was done to them?

Btw, is there any group of people you DON'T hate?

How exactly are you going to make 'atheism', something that only 'exists' as something that doesn't exist inside people's minds, disappear? Lobotomise everyone?

It's silly to hate. Much better to address the causes of genocide, address the causes of deliberately causing foreign babies to freeze to death, what are the causes of deliberately destroying people's hospitals, what causes militant politicians to deliberately steal people's farms and lands, what are the causes of encouraging criminal settlers to kill and steal, what are the causes of bullying by the stronger over the weaker.
Accelafine does not value civilisation if she seeks to excuse crimes against humanity. What Hamas does is no excuse nor reason for Israel's crimes .Israel's crimes on an industrial scale. God knows what media Accelafine reads!

Fuck knows what media you read. Perhaps 'Hamas Daily Times'. When someone chooses to do to Israel what was done on Oct 7 then it's really none of anyone else's fucking businesss how Israel reacts. When people choose to use their own children as human shields to gain sympathy then that's nothing to do with Israel. When people choose to use hospitals as weapons storage facilities so that they ignite and blow up from barely a stray spark then that's hardly Israel's fault.
Btw, it's Gazans and West Bankers who are squatting on someone else's land. Israel won it fair and square in 1967. And who did they win it from? 'Palestine'? Is that what you think? Tiny little Israel won it from Egypt and Jordan AFTER being attacked by them both along with Syria.
Btw, Gaza prior to that was under the control of Egypt, and the West Bank was controlled by Jordan. They were THEIR territories. Now Egypt has a gigantic wall to keep Gazans OUT of Egypt. Hmm. I wonder why...

With all the money that was poured into Gaza which they chose to build underground tunnel networks and deposit in Swisss bank accounts for the personal use of their CHOSEN leaders, they could have instead built an ENTIRE underground city to evacuate the population to. They don't give a rat's arse about their own chldren. Who else does that?

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 5:49 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 1:55 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:16 pm

Is that why they gave warnings and dropped fliers to tell people to leave the areas being targeted? Why they are giving aid, and escorting people to safety? Who else does that? WTF did you expect Israel to do after what was done to them?

Btw, is there any group of people you DON'T hate?

How exactly are you going to make 'atheism', something that only 'exists' as something that doesn't exist inside people's minds, disappear? Lobotomise everyone?

It's silly to hate. Much better to address the causes of genocide, address the causes of deliberately causing foreign babies to freeze to death, what are the causes of deliberately destroying people's hospitals, what causes militant politicians to deliberately steal people's farms and lands, what are the causes of encouraging criminal settlers to kill and steal, what are the causes of bullying by the stronger over the weaker.
Accelafine does not value civilisation if she seeks to excuse crimes against humanity. What Hamas does is no excuse nor reason for Israel's crimes .Israel's crimes on an industrial scale. God knows what media Accelafine reads!

Fuck knows what media you read. Perhaps 'Hamas Daily Times'. When someone chooses to do to Israel what was done on Oct 7 then it's really none of anyone else's fucking businesss how Israel reacts. When people choose to use their own children as human shields to gain sympathy then that's nothing to do with Israel. When people choose to use hospitals as weapons storage facilities so that they ignite and blow up from barely a stray spark then that's hardly Israel's fault.
Btw, it's Gazans and West Bankers who are squatting on someone else's land. Israel won it fair and square in 1967. And who did they win it from? 'Palestine'? Is that what you think? Tiny little Israel won it from Egypt and Jordan AFTER being attacked by them both along with Syria.
Btw, Gaza prior to that was under the control of Egypt, and the West Bank was controlled by Jordan. They were THEIR territories. Now Egypt has a gigantic wall to keep Gazans OUT of Egypt. Hmm. I wonder why...

With all the money that was poured into Gaza which they chose to build underground tunnel networks and deposit in Swisss bank accounts for the personal use of their CHOSEN leaders, they could have instead built an ENTIRE underground city to evacuate the population to. They don't give a rat's arse about their own chldren. Who else does that?

You hold dangerously extremist views.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:40 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 5:49 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 1:55 pm

It's silly to hate. Much better to address the causes of genocide, address the causes of deliberately causing foreign babies to freeze to death, what are the causes of deliberately destroying people's hospitals, what causes militant politicians to deliberately steal people's farms and lands, what are the causes of encouraging criminal settlers to kill and steal, what are the causes of bullying by the stronger over the weaker.
Accelafine does not value civilisation if she seeks to excuse crimes against humanity. What Hamas does is no excuse nor reason for Israel's crimes .Israel's crimes on an industrial scale. God knows what media Accelafine reads!

Fuck knows what media you read. Perhaps 'Hamas Daily Times'. When someone chooses to do to Israel what was done on Oct 7 then it's really none of anyone else's fucking businesss how Israel reacts. When people choose to use their own children as human shields to gain sympathy then that's nothing to do with Israel. When people choose to use hospitals as weapons storage facilities so that they ignite and blow up from barely a stray spark then that's hardly Israel's fault.
Btw, it's Gazans and West Bankers who are squatting on someone else's land. Israel won it fair and square in 1967. And who did they win it from? 'Palestine'? Is that what you think? Tiny little Israel won it from Egypt and Jordan AFTER being attacked by them both along with Syria.
Btw, Gaza prior to that was under the control of Egypt, and the West Bank was controlled by Jordan. They were THEIR territories. Now Egypt has a gigantic wall to keep Gazans OUT of Egypt. Hmm. I wonder why...

With all the money that was poured into Gaza which they chose to build underground tunnel networks and deposit in Swisss bank accounts for the personal use of their CHOSEN leaders, they could have instead built an ENTIRE underground city to evacuate the population to. They don't give a rat's arse about their own chldren. Who else does that?

You hold dangerously extremist views.

What 'views'?? Those are all facts. Facts can't be 'extreme' you moron. F off and come back when you've done a bit of real research and learnt some actual history.

My question would be: "Given the horrendous things that are now admitted to have been condoned, allowed, encouraged and even defended, who did that condoning, defending, allowing, encouraging and defending?"Who are these self-declared "good" people who would not let the truth come out? Where are they, in the accounting for all that evil?

By all means, subject the r*pe gangs to the harshest penalties the law can inflict. But the big question is, why didn't that happen right away?

Just a reminder that the anti-Israel 'protests' after Oct 7 (protesting 'what'?) started well BEFORE Israel did any bombing. You won't find that on 'Wki' or anywhere else on google. Why would that be? It's amazing what a normal, functioning brain can remember. It really wasn't that long ago

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 10:04 pm My question would be: "Given the horrendous things that are now admitted to have been condoned, allowed, encouraged and even defended, who did that condoning, defending, allowing, encouraging and defending?"Who are these self-declared "good" people who would not let the truth come out? Where are they, in the accounting for all that evil?

By all means, subject the r*pe gangs to the harshest penalties the law can inflict. But the big question is, why didn't that happen right away?

The largest group of grooming-gang pimps are actually native white British men:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp

Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say?

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.

Only 14% of the pimps are Pakistani.

Furthermore, the girls typically do not want to testify against their pimps:

The inquiry into the Telford abuse scandal, which published its report in 2022, found police dismissive of claims of abuse, with one saying "these girls had chosen to go with, I don't know, 'bad boys'".

Another reported "[Child] has no credibility - very often it is her word against [sic] the perpetrators and very often she does not co-operate."

"Believe she is making life choices. There are never any witnesses or 3rd parties."

Because children, often from deprived backgrounds, were dismissed as "lacking in credibility" ...

These cases are difficult to prosecute.

The girls may often even like their drugs-fuelled lifestyle of child prostitution. The police does not particularly like to take on these cases because without usable witness depositions they tend to lead to nowhere in court.

It is too easy to blame the police for inaction. If they could, they would prosecute the pimps but apparently they rarely can.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:12 am
Only 14% of the pimps are Pakistani.

Yet only 2.7 percent of the population. And what do you mean 'pimps'?? Those men are RAPISTS.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:56 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:12 am
Only 14% of the pimps are Pakistani.

Yet only 2.7 percent of the population. And what do you mean 'pimps'?? Those men are RAPISTS.

No, they pimps out these girls to customers. That is where the money for the drugs comes from.

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:14 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:56 am

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:12 am
Only 14% of the pimps are Pakistani.

Yet only 2.7 percent of the population. And what do you mean 'pimps'?? Those men are RAPISTS.

No, they pimps out these girls to customers. That is where the money for the drugs comes from.

It's illegal and it's rape.