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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:52 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:47 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:35 pm

Here's does this help:

I will not live in a world where evil triumphs. And there's no such thing as killing innocent people in the name of "good".

I thought that's what you meant. But there is such a thing as killing innocent people in the name of good:

Shall I mark these words from you, IC?

Sure...as long as you include everything I said in explanation of that statement. On the other hand, if you isolate it, take it out of its context and warp it by adapting it to your own preferred interpretation, I'll point out the fakery.

So what would you like to do?

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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:59 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:52 pm

Shall I mark these words from you, IC?

Sure...as long as you include everything I said in explanation of that statement. On the other hand, if you isolate it, take it out of its context and warp it by adapting it to your own preferred interpretation, I'll point out the fakery.

So what would you like to do?

Well, that's what you're saying if you back Israel's bombing campaign against Palestinians in Gaza.

I have nowhere said that.

I call fakery.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:59 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:52 pm

Shall I mark these words from you, IC?

Sure...as long as you include everything I said in explanation of that statement. On the other hand, if you isolate it, take it out of its context and warp it by adapting it to your own preferred interpretation, I'll point out the fakery.

So what would you like to do?

Well, that's what you're saying if you back Israel's bombing campaign against Palestinians in Gaza. You may as well be honest about it.

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American stands alone in the world for voting against the ceasefire.
The very same country whose lobbyists are continuing to make money from the sale of arms causing the destruction.
And who will probably make money in reconstruction too.
Oh Um.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:57 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 6:47 pm Do not the Palestinians advocate genocide "from the river to the sea" in the name of their national "good"? Do they not even immolate their own people, women, children and other innocents on the altar of their national ambitions? Of course they do.

Yes. Obviously, ALL Palestinian civilians want to die in the name of killing jews.

No, Gary...Hamas wants them to, so long as it serves the Hamas cause. But you'll have to show me how you get the idea that "all Palestinian civilians want to die in the name of kiling Jews." I think you're making that up.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:17 pm American stands alone in the world for voting against the ceasefire.

The UK, too. But America has the veto.

The very same country whose lobbyists are continuing to make money from the sale of arms causing the destruction.
And who will probably make money in reconstruction too.

Very true. There's something deeply nasty in the relationship between taxpayers, government and the military-industrial complex. But what do you suggest in order to stop it? I'd love to see it ended, too, because they're ripping of the country to fund foreign wars and take kickbacks.

By the way, what party does the current "Armed Forces Commander-In-Chief" belong to? Remind me...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:22 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:17 pm American stands alone in the world for voting against the ceasefire.

The UK, too. But America has the veto.

Lilly livered Sunak abstained, - a step in the right direction, but not quite the same thing as the US.
Get your facts right

The very same country whose lobbyists are continuing to make money from the sale of arms causing the destruction.
And who will probably make money in reconstruction too.

Very true. There's something deeply nasty in the relationship between taxpayers, government and the military-industrial complex. But what do you suggest in order to stop it? I'd love to see it ended, too, because they're ripping of the country to fund foreign wars and take kickbacks.

By the way, what party does the current "Armed Forces Commander-In-Chief" belong to? Remind me...

Don't think it matters. But oddly it is the party which has the most people wishing for the conflict to end paradoxically and whose members where they do exist are the most vocal in calling out Israel

Never heard any calls for 'ceasefires' ANYWHERE else. EVER. Gosh. I wonder why that would be??

And I just LOVE the 'anti-zionist not anti-jew' bullshit 'argument'. How are these disingenuous woke clowns defining 'zionism' exactly? Does accepting that the US has a 'right to exist' require a special label? Canada? Australia? 'Zionism' has a very specific meaning. It was a political movement that began in the 19th century. To label anyone today who doesn't happen to loathe Israel a 'zionist' is mischievous skulduggery. It's simiply a coward's way of voicing their Jew-hatred while keeping their wokie street-cred.
Where were these 'pacifists' when Iraq was being bombed to smithereens? Syria? Afghanistan?
Bare-faced hypocrites and liars.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:44 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:22 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:17 pm American stands alone in the world for voting against the ceasefire.

The UK, too. But America has the veto.

Lilly livered Sunak abstained, - a step in the right direction, but not quite the same thing as the US.
Get your facts right

I was right. The UK has no veto. The UK won't sign.

By the way, what party does the current "Armed Forces Commander-In-Chief" belong to? Remind me...

Don't think it matters. But oddly it is the party which has the most people wishing for the conflict to end paradoxically and whose members where they do exist are the most vocal in calling out Israel.

That's very foolish of them. After all, Hamas started the conflict. Hamas continues the conflict. Hamas will not stop causing the conflict. Hamas will put its own people in harm's way. Hamas will not let the IDF stop. If Hamas lays down its arms, the conflict is over in five minutes, and nobody dies. If Israel lays down its arms, the conflict's not over and more Jews die.

And somehow, out of this, you get the idea that Israel's the problem?

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accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:50 pm Where were these 'pacifists' when Iraq was being bombed to smithereens? Syria? Afghanistan?

It's because all their pretended concern for Arabs is fake. They're just virtue-signalers. It doesn't actually matter to them how many Arabs die. They won't ever shed a single tear...unless Jews are involved.

Oh, and anti-semites. Don't forget that they're that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:55 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:44 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:22 pm
The UK, too. But America has the veto.

Lilly livered Sunak abstained, - a step in the right direction, but not quite the same thing as the US.
Get your facts right

I was right. The UK has no veto. The UK won't sign.

By the way, what party does the current "Armed Forces Commander-In-Chief" belong to? Remind me...

Don't think it matters. But oddly it is the party which has the most people wishing for the conflict to end paradoxically and whose members where they do exist are the most vocal in calling out Israel.

That's very foolish of them. After all, Hamas started the conflict. Hamas continues the conflict. Hamas will not stop causing the conflict. Hamas will put its own people in harm's way. Hamas will not let the IDF stop. If Hamas lays down its arms, the conflict is over in five minutes, and nobody dies. If Israel lays down its arms, the conflict's not over and more Jews die.

And somehow, out of this, you get the idea that Israel's the problem?

That's exactly what warmongers like ''skulptor'' want. They don't give a flying feck about Gazan children. They couldn't care less about all the rapes and torture committed by Hamas on children yet expect everyone to buy that they 'care' about only Gazan children? It's ridiculous.
Wokies like ''skulptor'' are sociopaths who only want to see the destruction of Israel. They don't care 'how' it happens-- only 'that' it happens.

And it's why the ''skulptors'' of the world will post their pathetic little screenshots of 'evidence' that the rapes, beheadings and live burnings 'never happened', despite the overwhelming evidence of photos and videos that prove that they did. They know it happened but they also know how readily stupid people will believe any lies if they are repeated often enough.