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Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:26 am**

socrat44 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:03 am It is hard to find Schrodinger's Cat because his Cat is the Quantum Cat
and has dualistic nature and obeys the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle

Very well said. Illustrated. Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:45 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:42 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:35 am
Considering that being ín a 'transcendence state' is different from being in the 'other states', then I would say that we could all agree that some 'thing' has changed.
Coming back on topic.

It's true that the human consciousness is able to transcend the mind, because the mind is dual by it's very nature. It knows the concept of otherness, which is conceptually known as apparent opposite.

I would express 'this' in completely different terms and words, which would become Truly self-explanatory, that is; if ANY one was Truly interested, but I do KNOW what you are getting at and meaning here anyway.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:42 am For example: we can know up because we know down.

I would say, there is NO up NOR down, in and from the whole perspective.

'Up' and 'down' are just human being made up concepts, and exist only in and from a very narrowed and small perspective, of things.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:42 am But what about concept of DEATH... can we ever know DEATH...?

Yes.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:42 am can we ever experience what it is like to be dead?

Not directly. But,

Whilst in a state of absolute 'non thought', what arises is a sense of absolute euphoria, but instead of excitement there is just pure bliss and contentment. This may not be exactly what is experienced when the body has stopped breathing and pumping blood, but obviously there is absolutely NO thought at all occuring as that body decays away.

Or, from another perspective, you know when the body is asleep, and so many hours later when it is awake, again, and there was NO awareness or at least NO memory of awareness nor thinking, then this might be the closest experience of what it is like to be dead

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:42 am And yet we are ok with asserting that a cat is dead....as opposed to being alive....what do you think about that idea Age?

When one says, "The cat is dead", with clarification I think what will be found, agreed upon, and accepted is that what is being said and claimed is that 'that body' known as 'cat' is just not breathing and not pumping blood, anymore.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:20 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:45 pm
I would express 'this' in completely different terms and words, which would become Truly self-explanatory, that is; if ANY one was Truly interested, but I do KNOW what you are getting at and meaning here anyway.

Well of course you would, of course you'd express it differently. Of course you would like to inform people if they are interested just how it can be expressed differently, in a truly self-explanatory way, I'm pretty sure that the way you would express it differently, would indeed no doubt make you tingle all over I'm sure.

Ah well, no one fucking cares anyway, we're all going to burn up like salamanders in the midday sun eventually, so what's the fucking point in living or caring about any of this fucking bullshit philosophising anyway...it's all so bleeding pointless and stupid.

Posted: **Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:29 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:35 am
CHNOPS wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:14 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:08 am

Without the 'thinking', the 'voice in a head' phenomenon, the body is obviously still experiencing through not just those two senses of seeing and hearing but through all five senses, that is; of course, if all five of them are working at the time.

Since the time senses start working, they are continually sensing (the 'world' around them), and transferring 'information' to the 'data base', or the brain, which, through language, that 'input', or 'incoming sensory information', becomes 'thought', which in turn can become 'knowledge', which can then be expressed to other human bodies, and brains. The outpouring of true, right, accurate, and correct 'thought', is Right 'knowledge', while the rest is just Wrong 'knowledge'.

The brain, by the way, works exactly like a computer does. That is; the human brain can only 'put out' what has been 'put into' 'it'.

The Mind, however, is another completely different story.

But to answer your question here directly, in TRANSCENDENCE of the voice in your head, YES, the body is still seeing what are referred to and known as 'colors', still hearing what are referred to and known as 'sounds', still smelling what are referred to and known as 'smells', still tasting what are referred to and known as 'tastes', and still feeling what are referred to and known as 'objects'. But these five 'things' known as 'colors', 'sounds', 'smells', 'tastes', and 'objects', as some people like to claim and argue exist only in 'thought', or 'mental construct/concept', only. But, obviously they do exist in some form or another, as 'they' have been able to form 'conceptual thinking' around, or about, 'them'. And, as there is obviously ONE 'thing' being AWARE of 'them', through 'sensory experiences', those 'conceptual known things' are still being seen, heard, smelt, felt, and tasted.
So, in this "trascendence state", something has changed. You may feel more intense or percieve with more intense, or whatever, but something has changed.

Do you agree?
Considering that being ín a 'transcendence state' is different from being in the 'other states', then I would say that we could all agree that some 'thing' has changed.

Yes, and that "thing" is just the matter, the body, the brain. When you realize who you are, something change.

Is not like you are in a "superposition state" or "non dualist state of mind". That is bullshit.

Is the same as always, just that without thoughts that creates de Ego construct.

But that isnt even permanent, you start thinking again, when you interact with things, because you are always imagining the future or the past, and that imagining is thoughts.

You dont need to make thoughts to make a cofee, or sitting meditating, but you need thoughts if you are creating, working, etc, because that is the way we create, imagining.

Is just that when you understand what you are, you dont make thoughts about what you are not...because is useless. And that is what make you happy.

"roydop", doesnt understand this, he think he is on a "superposition state" or "non dualist state", and that is bullshit.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:28 am**

CHNOPS wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:29 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:35 am
CHNOPS wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:14 pm

So, in this "trascendence state", something has changed. You may feel more intense or percieve with more intense, or whatever, but something has changed.

Do you agree?
Considering that being ín a 'transcendence state' is different from being in the 'other states', then I would say that we could all agree that some 'thing' has changed.
Yes, and that "thing" is just the matter, the body, the brain. When you realize who you are, something change.

Is not like you are in a "superposition state" or "non dualist state of mind". That is bullshit.

Is the same as always, just that without thoughts that creates de Ego construct.

But that isnt even permanent, you start thinking again, when you interact with things, because you are always imagining the future or the past, and that imagining is thoughts.

You dont need to make thoughts to make a cofee, or sitting meditating, but you need thoughts if you are creating, working, etc, because that is the way we create, imagining.

Is just that when you understand what you are, you dont make thoughts about what you are not...because is useless. And that is what make you happy.

"roydop", doesnt understand this, he think he is on a "superposition state" or "non dualist state", and that is bullshit.

Well said CHNOPS

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