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One can lead a group of humans to water but..

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm One can lead a group of humans to water but..

Why do you care?

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:20 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm One can lead a group of humans to water but..

Why do you care?

I don't truly care.

Why do you care, you are the one that started the thread..clearly you are interested in mining other minds regarding your fascination regarding 'soul'.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:23 pm

I don't truly care.

Why do you care, you are the one that started the thread..clearly you are interested in mining other minds regarding your fascination regarding 'soul'.

Well, logically speaking, I can't imagine what a soul could possibly be, yet lots of people seem to think there is such a thing, so my curiosity got the better of me, and I decided to ask what they thought a soul was.

I don't believe there is such a thing as the soul, but I don't have a problem with anyone else believing there is.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:30 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:23 pm

I don't truly care.

Why do you care, you are the one that started the thread..clearly you are interested in mining other minds regarding your fascination regarding 'soul'.

Well, logically speaking, I can't imagine what a soul could possibly be, yet lots of people seem to think there is such a thing, so my curiosity got the better of me, and I decided to ask what they thought a soul was.

I don't believe there is such a thing as the soul, but I don't have a problem with anyone else believing there is.

Since 1997 and knowing rather than believing God exists, I considered the soul could be a material part of us, that gets implanted into the material part of a foetus to be reincarnated.

Now, I don't think so.

A personal consideration I have now, is that it's not material, not matter but rather an address in spacetime.

I consider now that God resides as part of Dark Energy/Matter. It coerces the galaxys to form in particular way (a huge interlinked galatic web as observed by astrophysicists)

Our brains are part of spacetime (I doubt anyone would disagree with that) but, since I know God has access to everything within my consciousness, I believe our brains are addressed not too dissimilary to the way a pointer works in a computer program (consider our brain as a database and its location is addressed by God system like a pointer that stores the address of a dataset within RAM)

I believe that for us to have qualia sensations (part of being conscious) that we are 'consuming' the energy from what we perceive and it returns to Dark Matter\Energy. Like a cathode/anode arrangement in a computer circuit (consider our consiousness with qualia as components on the circuit)

So.

A soul is nothing....but is uniquely identified by the God system.....YOU --- ME --- ALL THE OTHER MINDS.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:07 pm
Since 1997 and knowing rather than believing God exists, I considered the soul could be a material part of us, that gets implanted into the material part of a foetus to be reincarnated.

Now, I don't think so.

A personal consideration I have now, is that it's not material, not matter but rather an address in spacetime.

I consider now that God resides as part of Dark Energy/Matter. It coerces the galaxys to form in particular way (a huge interlinked galatic web as observed by astrophysicists)

Our brains are part of spacetime (I doubt anyone would disagree with that) but, since I know God has access to everything within my consciousness, I believe our brains are addressed not too dissimilary to the way a pointer works in a computer program (consider our brain as a database and its location is addressed by God system like a pointer that stores the address of a dataset within RAM)

I believe that for us to have qualia sensations (part of being conscious) that we are 'consuming' the energy from what we perceive and it returns to Dark Matter\Energy. Like a cathode/anode arrangement in a computer circuit (consider our consiousness with qualia as components on the circuit)

So.

A soul is nothing....but is uniquely identified by the God system.....YOU --- ME --- ALL THE OTHER MINDS.

That sounds interesting, although I don't fully understand it. I can't help wondering what's behind this "reality" of ours, but I don't expect I'll ever know.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:21 pm That sounds interesting, although I don't fully understand it. I can't help wondering what's behind this "reality" of ours, but I don't expect I'll ever know.

To learn about some things, or perhaps better put, to potentially learn about some things, we gotta go out and experience stuff, with people who are or claim to be experts with whatever it is. Or go out and exerience it in person, hands on, on our own. If we are curious enough, some do that.

Working within our more or less same set of experiences and thinking about something can only go so far.

This could be mundane - I'd never learn how to juggle, I'm not coordinated. Here are my arguments for my inability to learn juggling. Or...black people won't treat me with respect. Here's why I think that's true......

By mundane I mean, the things involved are not ontologically controversial. Most people think juggling is a real act that some people can perform. Coordination varies between people. Black people exist. There are reasons some might not treat someone with respect.

So, someone could mull over these things and think about them and so on. But going out and spending time learning IRL might be necessary for them to change their minds or confirm their ideas.

For more ontologically controversial 'things' like souls, this may also be true.

If it seems like...well, nothing I can imagine would confince that X is real.

Well, we imagine from a base of our experiences.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:21 pm
I can't help wondering what's behind this "reality" of ours, but I don't expect I'll ever know.

Truth cannot be experienced Harbal.
The end of the ''I am experience'' is the recognition, that there never was one. Real Separation is a dream.

What's behind ''reality'' you wonder. Well, there is no such thing as your own observation. What do I mean by that? well, it's like when you are reading a book, it is not the blank empty pages you are reading, what you are reading are the words upon the emptiness, inseparable from the emptiness. The story is inseparable from the book. That's reality. It's a nondual unified absolute whole, all one. You are that one.

The Soul is just another word for Self. But the Self is never a personal self, except in the dream, of illusory separation. The self or soul is always this immediate reality in it's pristine Absolute form. It is empty fullness.

So the sense of separation, aka the idea there is a 'personal self' is the dream, an appearance of the mind in duality, albeit illusory.

Behind the ''mind'' which is another word for CONTENT aka the fullness within the emptiness, the soul or self is the experiencing agent or seer of every known state that represents the conceptual material experience and thus underlies them. What I mean by that, is, the awareness of senses, be it pain, pleasure, feelings, thoughts, emotions, reason, logic, wisdom and facts...are only the dream contents within absolute empty awareness...the contents being made of the awareness that knows the dream, albeit just pure illusory story.

Being the witness of all these states... ONE is not "of" them and therefore not "of" matter. Being that here, there is no distance or separation between the knower and the known, there is here, only the pristine Absolute form, eternal ''now" reality... that experiences no change or deterioration and is what makes the soul or self a non-dual reality.

Are you any wiser for reading this interpretation of what is the soul Harbal?
There are as many interpretations of the soul as there are minds that can conjure up a story, so take your pick as to which one you like

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:12 am Are you any wiser for reading this interpretation of what is the soul Harbal?

No, just a little bit older.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 9:23 am
No, just a little bit older.

What if getting older is actually an illusion, what if the sense of being old is actually a shifting toward the real sense of being totally ageless and brand new in every moment? The physical body may be slowing down and becoming weary through the process of entropy, but the animating energy that illuminates the physical body isn't, is it?

It does seem as though to disappear from this world, is to dissolve back into you're purest form of essence, and that the process can happen at ANY age, meaning you can die at any age. But to appear to this world, every one starts at zero age.

If you do disappear from hanging out here in this world Harbal, you never know, you might just reappear at any time, and if you do reappear, your old age will have been completely wiped clean, isn't that amazing?

Old age is not something to care about really, when you think about it like that.

I just made all that up.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:03 am I just made all that up.

I know.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:14 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:03 am I just made all that up.

I know.

You are the ONLY knowing there is.

When you question reality. ~What you are looking for is the empty space you are looking out from~

Emptiness is Form. Form is Emptiness.

How to see Emptiness using Form > https://mailchi.mp/6db6974d5acc/tomas-peeters

attofishpi to Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:07 pm Since 1997 and knowing rather than believing God exists, I considered the soul could be a material part of us, that gets implanted into the material part of a foetus to be reincarnated.

Now, I don't think so.

At some point you may think differently again about all kinds of things, yet, you seem to glorify whatever it is you think at any particular time... and, like Age, you'll point out that others don't see the way you do, so they're wrong.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm One can lead a group of humans to water but..

Do you think that human beings cannot see truth from all different angles with or without any particular belief system?

Is there a reason (for you, like Age) that your particular perspective must be so ultimately true? Why would our vastly individualized and collective 'reality' and beyond be as small, limited, and particular as that?

How might the discussion/beliefs/claims change if we were to consider that we're all divine beings on divine paths?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm

attofishpi to Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:07 pm Since 1997 and knowing rather than believing God exists, I considered the soul could be a material part of us, that gets implanted into the material part of a foetus to be reincarnated.

Now, I don't think so.

At some point you may think differently again about all kinds of things, yet, you seem to glorify whatever it is you think at any particular time... and, like Age, you'll point out that others don't see the way you do, so they're wrong.

What?? Really? Thanks for such insight to point out that I may re analyse my previous considerations re something and change my mind about, Wow, you really are amazing lacewing.

Precisely, what am I "glorifying"? I thought I was just providing Harbal my latest analysis of my personal belief re "what is a soul".

Lacecunt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm One can lead a group of humans to water but..

Do you think that human beings cannot see truth from all different angles with or without any particular belief system?

Y would U insinuate such a thing? I think 'humans' generally are daft, maybe that will help your attempt here at making me look like a twat.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pmIs there a reason (for you, like Age) that your particular perspective must be so ultimately true? Why would our vastly individualized and collective 'reality' and beyond be as small, limited, and particular as that?

Age, what? I never heard Age ever state anything about his own consideration re anything...more just attacking others for their claims in a ridiculous manner...but yes, Lacewing, I see how I am just like Age

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pmHow might the discussion/beliefs/claims change if we were to consider that we're all divine beings on divine paths?

What happened? Did you have an abortion and can't deal with what may be the consequences re divinity?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm

attofishpi to Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 11:07 pm Since 1997 and knowing rather than believing God exists, I considered the soul could be a material part of us, that gets implanted into the material part of a foetus to be reincarnated.

Now, I don't think so.

At some point you may think differently again about all kinds of things, yet, you seem to glorify whatever it is you think at any particular time... and, like Age, you'll point out that others don't see the way you do, so they're wrong.

AGAIN, more Wrong assuming and claiming, projecting, and distorting here "lacewing".

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:09 pm One can lead a group of humans to water but..

Do you think that human beings cannot see truth from all different angles with or without any particular belief system?

Is there a reason (for you, like Age) that your particular perspective must be so ultimately true?

LOL and coming from the one who makes the CLAIM that 'it' KNOWS what the ultimate truth is.

But yet when questioned and challenged, 'it' faulters and fails.

Also, and by the way, if, and WHEN, a truth is expressed, which is IRREFUTABLE, then 'it' is just the ULTIMATE Truth anyway, OBVIOUSLY.

And what you continually express as being the ultimate truth I keep reminding that 'it' IS OBVIOUSLY NOT.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm Why would our vastly individualized and collective 'reality' and beyond be as small, limited, and particular as that?

But 'it' IS NOT.

ONLY 'you' keep making this PRESUMPTION and VERY LIMITED DISTORTION.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:49 pm How might the discussion/beliefs/claims change if we were to consider that we're all divine beings on divine paths?

LOL who has been CLAIMING otherwise?

Also, How might the discussion/beliefs/claims change if we were to consider that 'we', as adult human beings, are NOT behaving like divine beings on divine paths?

Or do 'you' still only want to look at one "side" of the WHOLE Picture, "lacewing"?