Including the Bible - it contradicts many times over.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:29 pmI think that's sometimes right. It has to be, given the proliferation of 'religious' ideas out there, many of which contradict.
But if there is any 'religious' view that is truthful, then it's not true in all cases.
You can look at the sites that try to amass such things, and then at the sites that explain the same verses. And then you can make up your mind which is telling you the truth. Or you can just read it for yourself, instead of just believing what you're told.
Show us the data if you believe your religious view is true...
Well, let's start with the logical and empirical stuff. There's no point in us going over the many arguments available in an extended discussion here, since all the necessary work has already been done, and one well, for us. Better I should send you the best, and let you decide what you think.
Your answer is to try and sell me a book? How Christian of you!Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:35 pmWell, let's start with the logical and empirical stuff. There's no point in us going over the many arguments available in an extended discussion here, since all the necessary work has already been done, and one well, for us. Better I should send you the best, and let you decide what you think.
The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology will give you everything you need, and more than you can probably absorb....assuming you have any genuine interest in the answer.
Heh.
I get nothing from Blackwell. They're just one of the foremost philosophy publishers in the world, but they send me no royalties.Hair splitting.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 pmHeh.
I already debunked that method with my reminding you of what John told us.If you're serious, then the answer you need is much longer than we can do in these spaces. It takes the contributors to the Companion well over six hundred pages to put the data and arguments in front of you., plus extensive footnotes and tables. If you can't get your to your local library, or get them to acquire it, you can pick it up used. Or you can investigate the table of contents online, and then look up the individual essays.
I already told you there are two paths Jesus set before us. I am absolutely serious that perhaps Immanuel Can's religious view is true...but even if it were, it has not been shown to be the case...But you're not serious, I can see.
That's your best answer? It's not much. Well, it's a hair more than I get for promoting the book, anyway.VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:51 pmHair splitting.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 pmHeh.
So it seems that this is the second time you're wrong. But you have the liberty to be wrong as often as you want, of course.I already told you there are two paths Jesus set before us.
And thus the reader can ascertain which one of us is putting up the barriers...When you dismantle your walls,Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:56 pmThat's your best answer? It's not much. Well, it's a hair more than I get for promoting the book, anyway.VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:51 pmHair splitting.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:01 pm
Heh.
So it seems that this is the second time you're wrong. But you have the liberty to be wrong as often as you want, of course.I already told you there are two paths Jesus set before us.
I do not actually care about contradictory stories born of mental notions anyway. Every author looks out of their own unique lens of perception anyway. ( funny how the word mental is comprised of ''men'' ... human stories have no reality for me, they are just distractions and a form of entertainment for the human primate to amuse itself while it lives a life with absolutely nothing to do while it waits to die.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:02 pmYou can look at the sites that try to amass such things, and then at the sites that explain the same verses. And then you can make up your mind which is telling you the truth. Or you can just read it for yourself, instead of just believing what you're told.
The best source for any investigation begins with YOU the first person singular pronoun YOU - What ever you are looking for will come to you only through your own unique lens of perception, that's the only place where clarity is found, because what you are looking for is only possible to come directly from pure originality which is YOU, only what comes from you can be original first hand witness account.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:15 pmI find myself skeptical you have any interest in "investigation." I gave you the best source you're likely to find, and you can't be bothered. I'm not optimistic you'll invest more effort in other sources.
Interesting. You say both that "there is no truth" and "no one knows the truth," and yet you say "Nonduality IS the truth." Put those three claims together, and all they really seems to say is that Nonduality is undistinguished...that it is, at best, something you personally happen to wish to believe, but that has no special truth value. Is that the sum of your intention?
But you also say you don't believe rationality is necessary. You believe in Nonduality, so there is no truth-falsehood dichotomy. So even were it so, it would not be any kind of stroke against "the God story," as you call it.The God story does not make any rational sense whatsoever to me anyway.
Well, one shouldn't do that...at least, I think they shouldn't. But why you would say that, I don't know. After all, Nonduality is just subjective "truth," which means that a delusion is the same thing as it: just something one person believes, but nobody else should.I knew deep down that I was deluding myself, so I finally stopped deluding myself.
Heh.
When somebody writes, "this is a FACT," at the end of their claim, you know darn well they suspect it isn't. They just don't want their questionable claim questioned anymore, and they hope to evince sufficient bravado to make you ashamed to question.
