Philosophy Now Forum

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:43 pm There is Good and Evil in my worldview. There is no problem of Good or Evil though.

If, in your worldview, "evil" is not a problem, then not only is your view unlike everybody else's understanding of "evil," but also there's no problem occasioned by "evil" -- even the alleged "problem" of animal suffering. It's apparently not "evil," or using that word to describe it does not say something bad about animal suffering.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:38 pm
But "Hell" is not "evil," because there's no evil in your world...

There is evil in my worldview. There is no problem of evil.

But even "Hell" is not a problem, in your worldview?

Animal suffering...not a problem. Delusional thinking...not a problem. Cancer or tidal waves...not problems. Hell itself...not a problem. No evil in Bahman's world....hmmm...I'm going to have to try to make sense of that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:25 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:43 pm There is Good and Evil in my worldview. There is no problem of Good or Evil though.

If, in your worldview, "evil" is not a problem, then not only is your view unlike everybody else's understanding of "evil," but also there's no problem occasioned by "evil" -- even the alleged "problem" of animal suffering. It's apparently not "evil," or using that word to describe it does not say something bad about animal suffering.

There is evil in my worldview. But there is no problem of evil. Animals like humans wanted to come to the fallen world.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:38 pm
But "Hell" is not "evil," because there's no evil in your world...

There is evil in my worldview. There is no problem of evil.

But even "Hell" is not a problem, in your worldview?

No. Have you heard of masochist?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:25 pm Animal suffering...not a problem. Delusional thinking...not a problem. Cancer or tidal waves...not problems. Hell itself...not a problem. No evil in Bahman's world....hmmm...I'm going to have to try to make sense of that.

You and I wanted to come to this world. So whatever we get we deserve.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:09 pm There is evil in my worldview. But there is no problem of evil. Animals like humans wanted to come to the fallen world.

Wow. You would say somebody asked them?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:25 pm Animal suffering...not a problem. Delusional thinking...not a problem. Cancer or tidal waves...not problems. Hell itself...not a problem. No evil in Bahman's world....hmmm...I'm going to have to try to make sense of that.

You and I wanted to come to this world. So whatever we get we deserve.

Well, while the were asking the animals, nobody remembered to ask me. So I'm pretty sure that's not true.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm
I used to have Deep Depression.

WHY?

What caused this "deep depression"?

Because of the thousands of reasons. Because of the way that people treated me. Because of my lonely life for almost 15 years.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am And, what STOPPED this "deep depression"?

Answer and understand these questions FULLY, properly, AND correctly, then 'you', nor ANY 'one' else, will NEVER "have to" "suffer" like that again.

It took me a long time to overcome the depression.[/quote]

You COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISUNDERSTOOD my question, once again.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm
You need to live long enough when to know that life becomes boring when you get used to everything.

LOL And how long do 'you' propose that this would happen?

It certainly happens before the end of time. The time that there is no end for it!

And when is the end of time?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am To 'me', considering the fact of the size and extent of this ALWAYS CHANGING and thus ALWAYS DIFFERENT Universe, to 'me', it would be an IMPOSSIBILITY to get, so called, "used to EVERYTHING", no matter how long I live for.

You don't need to be exposed to everything. The number of things that you can joy is finite.

But you COULD enjoy far more things than 'you' experience in that relatively next to no time experience, which you call "your life".

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm
This world is good and evil.

This universal 'world', also known as thee Universe, Itself, is ALL 'good'.

This adult human created 'world', however, contains BOTH 'good' AND 'evil'.

And, WHY do 'your' responses, "bahman" rarely ever actually address the actual quote which you copied and replied to?

When I say the universe I mean human included. Also animal. Also non-material. Good and evil exist.

"good" AND "evil" ONLY exists in human concept.

AND, WHY do 'your' responses, "bahman" rarely ever actually address the actual quote which you copied and replied to?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:17 pm
I have an argument that there are minds. You failed to find a mistake in my argument. Therefore, I am right. What is your argument that there is only one mind?

ONCE AGAIN, here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of 'you' NOT addressing the actual comments/questions, in the actual quote, which you copied from "another", and which you are replying to.

By the way, I have CLEARLY FOUND MISTAKES in what you wrote.

I just wrote that here you wrote; "Your mind" but in other places you write; "We are minds", which can be CLEARLY SEEN is a PURE CONTRADICTION.

Now, either you can EXPLAIN this OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION (mistake in your writings) or you can NOT.

Feel FREE to do whatever you so like now with this FOUND MISTAKE of YOURS.

Again. Could you prove that there is only one mind?

ONCE AGAIN, this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL to do with what YOU quoted, AND THEN REPLIED TO.

Before you "forget" by your DEFLECTION; YOU were the ONE who wrote: "your mind", and ALSO have written, "we are minds".

Now, considering you REALLY can NOT SEE the difference AND distinction, or you REALLY are just 'trying to' DEFLECT. These two saying and CLAIMS of YOURS is PURE CONTRADICTION.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm I invite you to discuss the argument for different minds in another thread. You can also open another thread for your proof that there is only one mind.

BUT WHAT has THIS got to ACTUALLY do with what I have said here?

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:08 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:46 pm
A statement that is correct and fills the gap between two other statements which the first statement is accepted to be true and the second one is considered to be true as a matter of proof.

So, you define the word 'proof' here with a set of words, or a sentence, which, itself, contains the word 'proof', itself.

This partly explains and shows WHY you can NOT YET SEE the 'circular logic', nor the 'begging the question', in your, so called, "arguments".

That is a definition and not a proof.

'WHAT', EXACTLY is, supposedly, "a definition" and "not a proof"?

Your responses can be SEEN to be continuous forms of DEFLECTING.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:09 pm There is evil in my worldview. But there is no problem of evil. Animals like humans wanted to come to the fallen world.

Wow. You would say somebody asked them?

Perhaps.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:25 pm Animal suffering...not a problem. Delusional thinking...not a problem. Cancer or tidal waves...not problems. Hell itself...not a problem. No evil in Bahman's world....hmmm...I'm going to have to try to make sense of that.

You and I wanted to come to this world. So whatever we get we deserve.

Well, while the were asking the animals, nobody remembered to ask me. So I'm pretty sure that's not true.

You just forgot the last life.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:14 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am
WHY?

What caused this "deep depression"?

Because of the thousands of reasons. Because of the way that people treated me. Because of my lonely life for almost 15 years.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am And, what STOPPED this "deep depression"?

Answer and understand these questions FULLY, properly, AND correctly, then 'you', nor ANY 'one' else, will NEVER "have to" "suffer" like that again.

It took me a long time to overcome the depression.

You COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISUNDERSTOOD my question, once again.

I did it.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:25 am
This universal 'world', also known as thee Universe, Itself, is ALL 'good'.

This adult human created 'world', however, contains BOTH 'good' AND 'evil'.

And, WHY do 'your' responses, "bahman" rarely ever actually address the actual quote which you copied and replied to?

When I say the universe I mean human included. Also animal. Also non-material. Good and evil exist.

"good" AND "evil" ONLY exists in human concept.

AND, WHY do 'your' responses, "bahman" rarely ever actually address the actual quote which you copied and replied to?

No, animals also experience suffering.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:19 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:10 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:08 am

So, you define the word 'proof' here with a set of words, or a sentence, which, itself, contains the word 'proof', itself.

This partly explains and shows WHY you can NOT YET SEE the 'circular logic', nor the 'begging the question', in your, so called, "arguments".

That is a definition and not a proof.

'WHAT', EXACTLY is, supposedly, "a definition" and "not a proof"?

Your responses can be SEEN to be continuous forms of DEFLECTING.

A way of explaining a world by another world or expression.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:09 pm There is evil in my worldview. But there is no problem of evil. Animals like humans wanted to come to the fallen world.

Wow. You would say somebody asked them?

Perhaps.

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps?"

Either somebody asked animals, and they said they wanted to come into the fallen world, or nobody did. Which was it?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

You and I wanted to come to this world. So whatever we get we deserve.

Well, while the were asking the animals, nobody remembered to ask me. So I'm pretty sure that's not true.

You just forgot the last life.

How did you manage to remember it, if I forgot it?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am
Wow. You would say somebody asked them?

Perhaps.

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps?"

Either somebody asked animals, and they said they wanted to come into the fallen world, or nobody did. Which was it?

I mean, both scenarios are feasable.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am
Well, while the were asking the animals, nobody remembered to ask me. So I'm pretty sure that's not true.

You just forgot the last life.

How did you manage to remember it, if I forgot it?

I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am
Wow. You would say somebody asked them?

Perhaps.

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps?"

Either somebody asked animals, and they said they wanted to come into the fallen world, or nobody did. Which was it?

I mean, both scenarios are feasable.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am
Well, while the were asking the animals, nobody remembered to ask me. So I'm pretty sure that's not true.

You just forgot the last life.

How did you manage to remember it, if I forgot it?

I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:03 pm
Perhaps.

"Perhaps"? "Perhaps?"

Either somebody asked animals, and they said they wanted to come into the fallen world, or nobody did. Which was it?

I mean, both scenarios are feasable.

So you don't know?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am

You just forgot the last life.

How did you manage to remember it, if I forgot it?

I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

So....you don't remember it. You don't know about your own "past lives": you've "never done it yourself," you say. But you think you know about my "past lives"?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:11 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:45 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:12 pm
"Perhaps"? "Perhaps?"

Either somebody asked animals, and they said they wanted to come into the fallen world, or nobody did. Which was it?

I mean, both scenarios are feasable.

So you don't know?

No, I don't know. You want me to know your past life? I don't know how I could do that. I cannot even read your mind. There are people who can.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:11 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:41 am
How did you manage to remember it, if I forgot it?

I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

So....you don't remember it. You don't know about your own "past lives": you've "never done it yourself," you say. But you think you know about my "past lives"?

I think so. I was somewhere for sure. That is because the mind cannot be created or destroyed and there is a short time that my mind attached to physical. Buddha promised that you could see your past lives through meditation. I believe in him.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:55 pm I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

So....you don't remember it. You don't know about your own "past lives": you've "never done it yourself," you say. But you think you know about my "past lives"?

I think so. I was somewhere for sure.

You were "somewhere"? When?

...there is a short time that my mind attached to physical....

No, it's forever. Remember? The wheel of samsara? You only get off through transcendence.

Gee, even I know more about it than that.

Buddha promised that you could see your past lives through meditation. I believe in him.

Well, if Buddha could speak to you now, I think he might tell you something different.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:55 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:11 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:45 pm
I mean, both scenarios are feasable.

So you don't know?

No, I don't know. You want me to know your past life? I don't know how I could do that. I cannot even read your mind. There are people who can.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:11 pm

I didn't remember it. I however think that you can have access to it by meditation. I have never done it myself.

So....you don't remember it. You don't know about your own "past lives": you've "never done it yourself," you say. But you think you know about my "past lives"?

I think so. I was somewhere for sure. That is because the mind cannot be created or destroyed and there is a short time that my mind attached to physical. Buddha promised that you could see your past lives through meditation. I believe in him.

The CONTRADICTION here is amazing to observe.