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Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:40 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:24 am Holy cats! I don't think I'd butt-hole a cat if God commanded it, let alone any monarch. No wonder my family ended up over here across the pond!! England must have been proud to get rid of us! :shock:
I was speaking metaphorically, of course, Gary; my aim was to emphasise the solemn duty of loyatly to the British Crown that is owed by all Englishmen. Something I felt a nascent leftist like "Arrising_uk would to well to bear in mind.


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Well, that's good to know. I was a little worried there for a bit. :D

I was googling some stuff, though, and some of the results I got seemed to produce some speculation that the Queen is just a wee bit left leaning herself (though not radical of course). That would tend to make practical sense even for a monarchy--keep Labour as happy as possible.
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Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:02 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:24 am Holy cats! I don't think I'd butt-hole a cat if God commanded it, let alone any monarch. No wonder my family ended up over here across the pond!! England must have been proud to get rid of us! :shock:
Your fate, Gary ( i.e. the fate of any white, West European -descended native American) - your tragic destiny in the US is to be "butt-holed", (figuratively speaking), by immigrants "of colour", shortly after American whites become a demographic minority in the US. Historically speaking, this is due to occur in a relatively short period of time. Soon, you and all other white American, will become a despised minority, you will pushed aside and spat upon in the street; you will have no rights and there will be no justice or mercy shown to you by the mobs in the streets. You will be made an example of for crimes like transatlantic slavery and Anglo-American imperialism, Jim Crow, Apartheid and so on, that were perpetrated by the former White /European culture/civilization - it will be payback time for the savages. If I were you, I'd take advantage of your 2 nd Amendment right to bear arms and buy some heavy duty firepower to protect myself.

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Well. We will see. I don't plan on building a bunker. And I'm diagnosed with a mental illness so I'm not allowed to own firearms. I'll have to take my chances.

EDIT: And to be honest, I sort of doubt I will be needing weapons, so long as our society stops discriminating against people of color. That seems to be the real kicker for them. They want the same opportunities we have. I reckon that's probably a fair thing.
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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:39 am
Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:02 am
Well. We will see. I don't plan on building a bunker. And I'm diagnosed with a mental illness so I'm not allowed to own firearms. I'll have to take my chances.
You don't appear to have any mental illness to me. Your posts are perfectly rational and coherent. And writing, BTW heavily taxes the human Executive Functions (the highest and most sophisticated cognitive/emotional/motivational/perceptual faculties in the human mind. You might have a genuinely disabling affective/mood disorder , like Bipolar or, say, Major Unipolar Depression, but if that was the case you would have symptoms like anergia, amotivation and anhedonia, and mania (in the case of BPD) so you would not be bothered to sit down, concentrate and then contribute to a philosophy forum, like this. Moreover, you might have a professionally-diagnosed personality disorder (PD), like AVOIDANT PD or SCHIZOID PD, but they (and most other PDs do not, generally speaking, necessarily impair one's capacity for rational cognition).

Remember as well , Gary, that psychiatrists do not have any real understanding AT ALL of the human mind (i.e; diurnal phenomenal consciousness) they just play "trial and error" games with psychoactive drugs in an attempt and get their patients to act like standard, typical average American Joe. Unfortunately there is no such thing as "good, old, average American Joe". He don't exist. He is a purely fictional statistico-psychological construct. Do you remember the film "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest ?", this was the point (one of them, at least) the movie was trying to make. Unless you are clearly a SERIOUS, chronic threat to yourself or to other persons, you do not need a psychiatrist, IMO.

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Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:08 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:39 am
Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:02 am
Well. We will see. I don't plan on building a bunker. And I'm diagnosed with a mental illness so I'm not allowed to own firearms. I'll have to take my chances.
You don't appear to have any mental illness to me. Your posts are perfectly rational and coherent. And writing, BTW heavily tax human Executive Functions (the highest and most sophisticated cognitive/emotional/motivational/perceptual faculties in the human mind. You might have a genuinely disabling affective/mood disorder , like Bipolar or, say, Major Depression, but if that was the case you would have symptoms like anergia and anhedonia, or mania (in the case of BPD) so you would not be bothered to sit down, concentrate and then contribute to a philosophy forum, like this. Moreover, you might have a professionally-diagnosed personality disorder (PD), like AVOIDANT PD or SCHIZOID PD, but they (and most other PDs do not impair rational cognition).

Remember as well , Gary, that psychiatrists do not have any real understanding AT ALL of the human mind (i.e; phenomenal consciousness) they just play trial and error games with psychoactive drugs to try and get their patients to act like standard, typical average American Joe. Unfortunately there is no such thing as "good, old, average American Joes". They don't exist. They are purely fictional characters. Do you remember the film "One Flew Over the Cookoo's Nest ?", that was the point the movie was trying to make. Unless you are clearly a SERIOUS threat to yourself or other persons, you do not need a psychiatrist, IMO.

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Gary Childress wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:26 am

I was googling some stuff, though, and some of the results I got seemed to produce some speculation that the Queen is just a wee bit left leaning herself (though not radical of course). That would tend to make practical sense even for a monarchy--keep Labour as happy as possible.

Well Gary


Be careful of the Internet, "Google" and Face Book , etc; are owned by greedy, hard - core, capitalists, men who make their money exploiting the youth and weak-minded adults of the West who have been seduced by the political rhetoric of the fashionable Postmodern - Left : like multiculturalism, political correctness, cultural/moral relativism, the principles of social engineering, deconstruction and post-structuralism as valid word-views, All of the former are rooted in Marxist political/social/economic theory, and they have, unfortunately, become largely unquestioned political/social norms throughout much of the West. Why ? Because the people in the West who invest their time and energy in absorbing pop/mass culture are not too bright generally speaking.


I suppose the Queen did give that long-haired, pot-smoking "hippy" Paul McCartney a Knighthood, not to mention Elton John, who was absolutely "queer as folk" so to speak, AND a shameless, profligate abuser of illicit drugs in his creative prime. Still, the Founding Father of Conservatism, Edmund Burke, never said that the status quo cannot be allowed to change. Rather, he emphasised how small, gradual, incremental or even token (in the case of "Sir" Elton John) reforms would always always necessary, because no State can survive without them.

Yes, you're right, of course, that as Head of State the Queen needs to make some concessions to the left - throw a few "sops" to the plebs and their politicians now and then in order to keep the proletariat and the Union bosses happy.

This notwithstanding, I do not think the Queen has ever, at any time to date (since 1953), made a personal habit of "laying down the boogey" at 200 decibels and "shaking her rump to the funk" in a "Cold Sweat" (like James Brown) all over Buckingham Palace for hours on end. I don't think she'd be a fan of Miley Cyrus either or "Black Sabbath" or "Niggers With Attitude". Nor do I think Her Majesty has ever smoked dope or dropped acid or "mainlined" Crystal Meth.

What the Queen HAS done is a fantastic job. A fantastic job of raising the moral of the British people and - through wildly changing, war-torn and uncertain times - set a courageous, steadfast and awe-inspiring example for them (and the rest of the world)of how a decent, civilised human being ought conduct him/herself in this life.

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Gary,

Genuine Bipolar is characterised by, regular manic - depressive cycles. It is impossible for a psychiatrist is misdiagnose mania when he sees it for himself in a patient. Episodes of mania have a dramatic and very distinctive symptomology How does your psychiatrist KNOW for a fact to you experience cyclic episodes of genuine "textbook" mania, if he hasn't seen you in thrall of a manic attack personally ?

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I think that Nazism is popular today for much the same reason that Islamist Jihadis are recruited from among unemployed and poorly educated young men and a few young women who are similarly disadvantaged.

The feeling, fact, and fear of being excluded, and the need to belong to a culture which may even be an illegal subculture.
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Dachshund wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:23 am Gary,

Genuine Bipolar is characterised by, regular manic - depressive cycles. It is impossible for a psychiatrist is misdiagnose mania when he sees it for himself in a patient. Episodes of mania have a dramatic and very distinctive symptomology How does your psychiatrist KNOW for a fact to you experience cyclic episodes of genuine "textbook" mania, if he hasn't seen you in thrall of a manic attack personally ?

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Why are we discussing my illness now? Are you Web MD or something? Can we stay on the thread topic please?
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What's up red mist descending? As you appear to be unable to use the quote function.
Dachshund wrote:Corbyn IS unelectable. Corbyn IS an irreformable, inveterate,"old school" socialist, a ridiculous ghost from the militant British Left of the 1960s.The fact that he is - in 2019 - leader of HM loyal Opposition demonstrates just how brainless the British Labour Party truly are ! Hell will freeze over before the English people put a loony -left head case like Jeremy Corbyn in Number 10, surely even YOU can understand that ? ...
I used to but the Tories thought differently which is why, for party political purposes, they overrode British Representative democracy and held a referendum to try and save their party from defeat at the next general election due to UKIP splitting their vote, unfortunately this has failed as their party is disintegrating and Nigel has set up another 'ukip' which will split their vote.
Comrade Corbyn may be a big hit with the teenagers at Glastonbury, quoting Shelley ( whom , ironically, is a first order "Dead, White, Male", none of the cheering youth would ever have been taught) on centre stage, and so on But a mob of callow youth at a Glastonbury Rock Festival, many of whom were doubltless drug-intoxicated, does not (thank God) equate to the "Great British Public." ...
Thing is puppy the youth actually take less drugs than previous generations, it's the middle-aged who are snorting it down in copious quantities and the Labour Party at present has half a million members at present which makes them by far the largest party by membership in the UK and that's a lot of feet on the ground at the next general election, tie that to their membership being very social media savvy compared to the Tories and you have the makings of a big surprise if they can get the yoot to turn out.
This is one reason why, I believe the legal voting age - (if I many divert to this separate issue briefly) should be raised to 25. Most mainstream neoroscientists would agree. Why ? Because In human beings, it is known for a scientific fact that the part of the brain which mediates what you might call "good, common sense", sound judgement or prudential wisdom (a part called the prefrontal cortex, PFC), does not fully mature until about the age of 25. In Eighteen -year- olds, the PFC is not fully developed, this means that they lack the wisdom ( NOTE CAREFULLY: "Wisdom" is NOT synonymous with "rational intelligence"/IQ) of a neurologically matured adult ( i.e. someone aged 25 or above). In other words, In the case of 18 - 25 years olds, the capacity for common sense and prudent judgement, that is, "wisdom", in still relatively deficient.This is mainly why such young people, are naturally impressionable, idealistic, vulnerable to the romantic, utopist, rhethoric of socialist moral egalitarianism and other "romantic" socialist political principles. As I am sure you will recall, at the last General Election in the UK, many of the 18 - 25 year demographic voted socialist, and from what I've read, it appears that they also largely voted to "remain" in the Brexit referendum of 2016. In short, it worries me. I do not think "children" should be legally permitted to vote in public elections in the UK (and, more broadly speaking, the West, e.g Australia, Canada, the US), they lack the requisite wisdom to responsibly weight the issues in play, and at present have the ability to exert a material influence on the outcome of General Elections and national plebiscites, etc. ...
I'm sure those 'neuroscientists' would also concur that the brain of the older farts makes them prone to follow fascists like sheep. Will you also be changing the age at which we can serve in the Armed Forces? As you appear to think the young can die for democracy but not vote in it.
To continue. With respect to your personal politics, need I remind you that you are NOT a citizen in some imaginary "liberal democracy" (whatever that term is supposed to mean ?); YOU, old sport, are an Englishman and therefore a SUBJECT of the British Crown. Am I right ?? ( OF COURSE I am !!) Therefore, your duty is to obey and revere her gracious Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Are you going to tell me that you do not cherish the Crown ?! (You wouldn't DARE; I'd have you hanged from the yardarm - like a dog - for TREASON)!). If Her Majesty tells you to vote Tory , which she clearly does, (albeit in a gracefully tacit manner); if Her Majesty has explicitly supported "Brexit" (and she did/does) then YOU WILL follow suit and do what your Queen has told you to do i.e; support the Tory Party and England's "Brexiteers" ! Indeed, If the Queen tells you to butt-hole the neighbour's cat, then that is EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL DO; moreover, it will be your great privilege to do your duty !!
:lol: Where have you been for the past three decades? My passport says British Citizen. Now that well may change back but you appear to have missed three hundred years of British History and a minor event called the Sovereignty of Parliament and a further eight hundred years of the Magna Carta(admittedly not applicable to the citizens but a clear British myth that any monarch would be wise to not fuck with, otherwise it'll be orf wiv their heads again).
I hope I have made myself clear (!)
You have, you're some kind of ex-pat treasonous cavalier.
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GOD SAVE THE QUEEN !!!
Long Live Cromwell and the New Model Army, God Bless England and its citizens.
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Gotta love the irony that the Tory and Unionist Party are likely to be responsible for splitting the Union. :lol:
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Dachshund wrote:I was speaking metaphorically, of course, Gary; my aim was to emphasise the solemn duty of loyatly to the British Crown that is owed by all Englishmen. Something I felt a nascent leftist like "Arrising_uk would to well to bear in mind.
Is it fuck, this only applies to governement officials and the Armed Forces as there is no oath of loyalty to the Crown in the British Isles and if anyone tried to impose it then we would become a Republic toot sweet. As no-one would be having jug-ears telling them what they could do and say.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:32 am I think that Nazism is popular today for much the same reason that Islamist Jihadis are recruited from among unemployed and poorly educated young men and a few young women.

The feeling, fact, and fear of being excluded, and the need to belong to a culture which may even be an illegal subculture.
Don't forget, Belinda that Islamic sacred scripture explicitly legitimised the action of the Muslim suicide bomber who murdered 20 young people at that concert in Manchester. There are verses in the Koran (which is the word of God (Allah) that provided the justification this atrocity, and promised its perpetrator eternal bliss if paradise after he detonated his suicide belt. There are many unemployed, disadvantaged marginalised, and alienated young native white men in Britain, they bear a great deal of suffering, yet this would never incite them to murder innocent people in a terrorist attack

There is no Nazi Party in the West today. The NAZI Party - the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) was a political movement that took place in Germany in the 1920's and 1930'Gs- i.e. in a different world, in an entirely different historical circumstance to that of the West's in the 21st century. If ever you read through the official manifesto of NSDAP, you will find, its contents are very different to what you might expect. The term "socialist" in NS(ocialist)DAP, for instance, did not at connote what it does today. Hitler absolutely loathed Marx's conception of socialism and communism.

The Neo-Nazi groups in the US are not a serious political threat to anyone. Most of them, like "ATOM WAFFEN" are just a motley gaggle of silly, bored teenagers looking for some excitement As far as I know they have done nothing serious more than participate in a few scuffles with Antifa activists at a small number of demonstrations (like Charlottesville, which was over-hyped by the US media into a veritable WW3; but in fact, VERY little
serious violence of any kind took place that day. YES, ONE person was run over and killed by a car, but the exact circumstances of the incident are unclear and still being. As to their anti-semitic rhetoric, like I said, they are nothing but a bunch of foolish teenagers (most of them) and do not represent any kind of real threat to Jewish persons in the US at all.

American Neo-Nazis ARE white nationalists, but so was Thomas Jefferson (and most of his fellow American Founding Founders); so was Abraham Lincoln, the "Great Emancipator" and abolitionist; and so were a surprising number of other former US Presidents in the 20th century. But, of course kids don't get taught this stuff in American schools. Trump said recently in the most strident and emphatic terms at a MAGA (Make America Great Again) rally: " I...AM...AN...AMERICAN....NATIONALIST !!" He didn't say "WHITE" nationalist, because that would send CNN and the rest of America's leftist media into a frenzy. And besides everyone at the rally knew perfectly he was a "WHITE NATIONALIST" (The word "WHITE" in this case was silent like the "p" in "phone" or the "p" in "water" (:D :D )

If you don't mind me saying so Belinda its high time that native, white/Anglo-Saxon English folk, stood up and demonstrated some pride in their culture, their people and their nation. England is the fountainhead of Western culture, the greatest culture that this world has ever produced in the 6000 year long history of civilisation. England produced the Magna Charta, the founders of the Scientific revolution (Newton and Bacon) the philosophers who spearheaded the Enlightenment (Thomas Hobbs and John Lock), the Industrial Revolution, William Shakespeare, the greatest wordsmith this planet has ever known, Winston Churchill who defied the German war machine when Britain stood alone after the fall of France and won the Battle of Britain against all odds in 1940. I was married and lived in England for almost 30 years, my son in English; he is 23 and lives in Hertfordshire.Despite the fact that I was born in the US and grew up in Australia as a youngster, I identify as ENGLISH, because my Grandparents were Londoners and their ancestor, going back centuries, were all native English. I am a great Anglophile and I will tell you one simple reason why. In England, I worked as a medical locum, which meant I has the opportunity to visit regional towns across the length and breadth of "Blighty". And I tell you, I absolutely loved that job, because whenever I arrived in ANY town in regional England I always found, without exception, that the native English folk there (and the towns of regional England are pretty much populated solely by white, Anglo-Saxon stock) were :polite, respectful, well-mannered, proud of their communities, congenial, tolerant, friendly, practical, law-abiding and in possession of that dry, ironic humour that has made English comics and humorists the very best in the world (John Cleese/Monty Python, Rowan Atkinson, Tommy Cooper, Benny Hill and all the rest of the wonderful English comic geniuses)

You, Belinda, being born in England, are automatically an heir to greatest and most precious cultural/civilisational legacy this world has ever witnessed. It has been passed down to you in trust by your predecessors over the centuries. It is your responsibility ( and it is a grave responsibility) to conserve and defend with all your energy what is of greatest value within in it.Remember you are only a temporary custodian of what England's glorious dead have achieved, very often at great cost, over 1000 years.In sum, It is your duty, Belinda ,as a native ,(white) Englishwoman is to protect and pass on the very best of the wisdom, art, science traditional cultural/moral values, Institutions and social mores that were bequeathed to you, by your own blood, to the yet unborn generation of English youth.

The great Edmund Burke, who was the Founding Father of Modern political Conservatism put it like this, in 1790...

"Society is a partnership in all science, a partnership in all art, a partnership in every virtue and in all perfection. As the ends of such a partnership cannot be obtained in many generations, it becomes a partnership not only between those who are living, but between those who are dead, and those who are yet to be born."


It shocks me, Belinda, to read some the socialist nonsense that you - a native Englishwoman (!!) frequently post on this forum. Burke declared that no true Englishman was ever a socialist. In 1790 he rightly predicted that no socialist revolution , like the disastrous one in France could ever take place in England, because he said...


"We Englishmen are not the converts of Rousseau; we are not the disciples of Voltaire; Helvetius has made no progress among us. Atheists are not our preachers; madmen are not our law givers. We know we have made no discoveries; and we think that no discoveries are to be made, in morality, nor many in the principles of government, nor in the ideas of liberty, which were understood long before we were born, altogether as well as they will be after the grave has heaped its mould on our presumption, and the silent tomb shall have imposed its law on our pert loquacity In England we have not yet been embowelled of our natural entrails; we still feel within us, and we cherish and cultivate, those inbred sentiments which are the faithful guardians, the active monitors of our duty, the true supporters of all liberal and manly morals. We have not been drawn and trussed, in order that we may be filled, like stuffed birds in a museum, with chaff and rags and paultry blurred shreds of paper about the Rights of Man. We preserve the whole of our feelings still native and entire, unsophisticated by pedantry and infidelity. We have real hearts of flesh and blood beating in our bosoms ! We fear God; we look up with awe to kings, with affection to parliaments; with duty to magistrates; with reverence to priests; and with respect to nobility. Why / Because when such ideas are brought before our minds, it is natural to be so affected, because all other feelings are spurious, and tend to corrupt our minds, to vitiate our primary morals, to render us unfit for rational liberty; and by teaching us a servile, licentious, and abandoned insolence, to be our low sport for a few holidays, to make us perfectly fit for, and justly deserving of slavery, through the whole course of our lines."

Right now England is torn with crisis, Belinda. You must support your country, your people and your culture any way you can. You must stand tall and proud and shout out that you refuse to be bullied or insulted by the EU - that loathsome, failed bureaucratic superstate. Send Jean Claude Juncker a letter, telling him that you an English patriot, and you have some advice for him, i.e. Go F**K yourself, Juncker, you're nothing but a pencil-necked, spineless, pen-pusher - if you threaten England , you' live to regret it, you Hun bastard."


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Dachshund wrote:...... Right now England is torn with crisis, Belinda. ...
And why's that? Because the Tory party for purely party political interests called a referendum in fear of the result of British Representative democracy.
... Send Jean Claude Juncker a letter, telling him that you an English patriot, and you have some advice for him, i.e. Go F**K yourself, Juncker, you're nothing but a pencil-necked, spineless, pen-pusher - if you threaten England , you' live to regret it, you Hun bastard."
You are an idiot, Juncker is just the equivalent of a British Civil Servant and has no power to threaten anyone. Sod-off back to the US or OZ or wherever it is you hail from as you are as bad as the Yank plastic-paddies with your 'I identify as English' shtick.
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Arising_uk wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:35 pm
Dachshund wrote:...... Right now England is torn with crisis, Belinda. ...
And why's that? Because the Tory party for purely party political interests called a referendum in fear of the result of British Representative democracy.
... Send Jean Claude Juncker a letter, telling him that you an English patriot, and you have some advice for him, i.e. Go F**K yourself, Juncker, you're nothing but a pencil-necked, spineless, pen-pusher - if you threaten England , you' live to regret it, you Hun bastard."
You are an idiot, Juncker is just the equivalent of a British Civil Servant and has no power to threaten anyone. Sod-off back to the US or OZ or wherever it is you hail from as you are as bad as the Yank plastic-paddies with your 'I identify as English' shtick.
Why don't you take a long holiday in Tehran, Baghdad, Johannesburg, Syria ? You can mix with the charming locals, i.e; the people that the Labour Party would open the UK's borders to - just like Tony Blair did back in the days of "Cool Britannia". (And Gee Whizz wasn't Blair a smashing success, funny how he only included one (1) page in his memoirs re New Labour's immigration policies? (Can't figure that one out for the life of me ??)

When you arrive for your vacation,white boy, be careful, wont you, because there's a very good chance you'll: get the shit beaten out of you or be carted off and tortured in some filthy prison cell. Then again some black with an IQ of 70, or some moronic Mujihadeen might just wack you for fun, because you're a pale-faced Pom (good target practice!)

So Bubba, don't just talk the socialist, Corbynite, multicultural, anti-racist, "kumbaya" talk; go walk the fucking walk, dude. Go try your luck on holiday in some Black/Arab shit-hole and if you're still alive/ physically able to write after 3 weeks, send us all a post to say how you got on.

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Arising_uk wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:52 pmthe Labour Party at present has half a million members at present which makes them by far the largest party by membership in the UK and that's a lot of feet on the ground at the next general election, tie that to their membership being very social media savvy compared to the Tories and you have the makings of a big surprise if they can get the yoot to turn out.

It is very likely that a General Election will be held in the UK this year.The big UK bookmakers currently have the odds of a General Election being called in 2019 set at 11/10 (!). If you are not a gambler, what this means is that if you want to bet that a UK General Election will be held this year, in order to win £10, you would have to wager £11 with a bookmaker. In other words, the bookmakers think is is highly likely there will be General Election held this year.

For the record, I would like to predict that Boris Johnson will lead the Tories into the next election, and that they will win.

Arrising_UK wants the British Labour Party to win the next UK General Election, that would mean veteren socialist Jeremy Corby would become the Prime Minister. Apparantly, Arrising_UK would welcome this result. As for me, I think it would be a disaster. One reasonis that Corbyn is a British traitor.

Having said this, I will now provide some evidence, and I would be particularly interested to hear what Arrising_UK has to say on the matter. Actually, I be very pleased if he could just answer one simple question: "Is Jeremy Corbyn a British traitor or is he not?"

Here are a list of facts we know about Corbyn...

* He invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.

* He attended a Bloody Sunday Commemoration with bomber Brendan Mc Kenna.

* He attended a meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond Mc Cartney.

* He hosted IRA linked Mitchell Mc Laughlin in parliament.

* He spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.

* He attended a Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.

* He chaired an Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan Mc Farlane.

* He attended a Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.

* He stood in a minute's silence for IRA terrorists shot by the SAS.

* He refused to condemn the IRA in a Sky News interview.

* He refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.

* He refused to condemn IRA violence in a BBC radio interview.

* He signed an EDM after IRA Poppy massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.

* He was arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bombers co - defendants.

* He lobbied parliament to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.

* He attended an Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.

* He hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.

* He hired another aide closely linked to several IRA terrorists.

* He was heavily involved with the IRA sympatising newspaper London Labour Briefing.

* He put up bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin Mc Alisky.

* He didn't support an IRA ceasefire.

* He said HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH were "friends."

* He called for HAMAS to be removed from the terror banned list.

* He called HAMAS "serious and hard - working".

* He attended a wreath - laying at the grave of Munich massacre terrorist.

* He attended a conference with HAMAS and PFLP.

* He was photographed smiling with a HEZBOLLAH flag.

* He attended a rally with HEZBOLLAH and Al - Muhajisoun.

* He repeatedly shared platforms with a PFLP plane hijacker.

* He hired an aide who praised HAMAS' "spirit of resistance.

* He accepted £ 20,000 from the state TV channel of terror - sponsoring Iranian regime.

* He opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.

* He defended the rights of fighters returning from Syria.

* He said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.

* He compared fighters returing from Syria to Nelson Mandela.

* He said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a "tragedy".

* He wouldn't sanction a drone strike to kill ISIS leader.

* He voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.

* He opposed shoot to kill.

* He attended an event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.

* He signed a letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.

* He wrote a letter in support of a conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.

* He spoke of "friendship" with Mo Kozbar, who called for the destruction of Israel.

* He attended an event with Abdullah Djahallah, who called for holy war against the UK.

* He called drone strikes against ISIS terrorist "obscene".

* He boasted about "opposing anti-terror legislation.

* He said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are "strange".

* He accepted a £ 5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.

* He accepted a £ 2,000 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation INTERPAL.

* He called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of INTERPAL, a "very good friend".

* He accepted two more trips from pro - HAMAS group PRG.

* He was the speaker at a conference hosted by pro - HAMAS group MEMO.

* He met HAMAS leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.

* He hosted a meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.

* He is patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign - whose marches are attended by HEZBOLLAH.

* He compared Israel to ISIS, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH and al - Qaeda.

* He said we should not make "value judgements" about Britons who fight for ISIS.

* He received endorsement from HAMAS.

* He attended an event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.

* He chaired Stop the War, who praised "internationalism and solidarity" of ISIS.

* He praised Raed Said, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.

* He signed a letter defending jihadist advocacy group CAGE.

He met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.

*He shared a platform with a representative of extemist cleric Muqtada al - Sadr.

He compared ISIS to the US military in an interview on Russia Today.

* He opposed proscription of Hizb ut - Tahir.

* He attended a conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.

* He attended an Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of the destruction of Israel.

* He supported the HAMAS and ISIS-linked Viva Palestine group.

* He attended a protest with Islamic extemist Mozzam Begg.

* He made the "case for iran" at an event hosted by a Khomeinist group.

* He was photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.

* He was photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.

* He said HAMAS should "have tea with the Queen".

* He attended a "Meet the Resistance" event with HEZBOLLAH MP Hussein El Haj.

* He attended an event with Haifa Zangana, who praised a Palestinian " mujahideen".

* He defended infamous anti - Semitic HAMAS supported Stephen Sizer.

* He attended an event with pro - HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH group Naturei Karta.

* He backed holocaust denying anti - Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.

* He was photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.

* He mocked "anti=terror hysteria" while opposing security services.

* He was named on a speakers' list for a conference with HAMAS sympathiser Ismail Patel.

* He criticised the drone attack that killed Jihadi John.

* He said the 7/7 bombers had been denied "hope and opportunity".

* He said 9/11 was manipulated to make it look like Bin Laden was responsible.

* He failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.

* He called Colombian terror group M-19 "comrades".

* He blamed the beheading of Ala Henning on Britain.

* He gave a speech in support of the Gaddafi regime.

* He signed an EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.

* He blamed the Tunisia attack on "austerity".

* He voted against banning support for the IRA.

* He voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act" three times during the Troubles.

* He voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.

* He voted against stricter punishment for being a member of a terror group.

* He voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.

* He voted against banning Al - Qaeda.

* He voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.

* He voted against control orders.

* He voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terror.

* He is active in the Labour Action for Peace (LAP) movement which the STASI recorded as a movement in line with the beliefs of socialist states behind the Iron Curtain.


So, what's your verdict Arrising_UK ? Traitor ? Naive Moron? Fit character to be British PM ?


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Dachshund
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Dachshund wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 am
Arising_uk wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:52 pmthe Labour Party at present has half a million members at present which makes them by far the largest party by membership in the UK and that's a lot of feet on the ground at the next general election, tie that to their membership being very social media savvy compared to the Tories and you have the makings of a big surprise if they can get the yoot to turn out.

It is very likely that a General Election will be held in the UK this year.The big UK bookmakers currently have the odds of a General Election being called in 2019 set at 11/10 (!). If you are not a gambler, what this means is that if you want to bet that a UK General Election will be held this year, in order to win £10, you would have to wager £11 with a bookmaker. In other words, the bookmakers think is is highly likely there will be General Election held this year.

For the record, I would like to predict that Boris Johnson will lead the Tories into the next election, and that they will win.

Arrising_UK wants the British Labour Party to win the next UK General Election, that would mean veteren socialist Jeremy Corby would become the Prime Minister. Apparantly, Arrising_UK would welcome this result. As for me, I think it would be a disaster. One reasonis that Corbyn is a British traitor.

Having said this, I will now provide some evidence, and I would be particularly interested to hear what Arrising_UK has to say on the matter. Actually, I be very pleased if he could just answer one simple question: "Is Jeremy Corbyn a British traitor or is he not?"

Here are a list of facts we know about Corbyn...

* He invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.

* He attended a Bloody Sunday Commemoration with bomber Brendan Mc Kenna.

* He attended a meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond Mc Cartney.

* He hosted IRA linked Mitchell Mc Laughlin in parliament.

* He spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.

* He attended a Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.

* He chaired an Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan Mc Farlane.

* He attended a Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.

* He stood in a minute's silence for IRA terrorists shot by the SAS.

* He refused to condemn the IRA in a Sky News interview.

* He refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.

* He refused to condemn IRA violence in a BBC radio interview.

* He signed an EDM after IRA Poppy massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.

* He was arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bombers co - defendants.

* He lobbied parliament to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.

* He attended an Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.

* He hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.

* He hired another aide closely linked to several IRA terrorists.

* He was heavily involved with the IRA sympatising newspaper London Labour Briefing.

* He put up bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin Mc Alisky.

* He didn't support an IRA ceasefire.

* He said HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH were "friends."

* He called for HAMAS to be removed from the terror banned list.

* He called HAMAS "serious and hard - working".

* He attended a wreath - laying at the grave of Munich massacre terrorist.

* He attended a conference with HAMAS and PFLP.

* He was photographed smiling with a HEZBOLLAH flag.

* He attended a rally with HEZBOLLAH and Al - Muhajisoun.

* He repeatedly shared platforms with a PFLP plane hijacker.

* He hired an aide who praised HAMAS' "spirit of resistance.

* He accepted £ 20,000 from the state TV channel of terror - sponsoring Iranian regime.

* He opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.

* He defended the rights of fighters returning from Syria.

* He said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.

* He compared fighters returing from Syria to Nelson Mandela.

* He said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a "tragedy".

* He wouldn't sanction a drone strike to kill ISIS leader.

* He voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.

* He opposed shoot to kill.

* He attended an event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.

* He signed a letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.

* He wrote a letter in support of a conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.

* He spoke of "friendship" with Mo Kozbar, who called for the destruction of Israel.

* He attended an event with Abdullah Djahallah, who called for holy war against the UK.

* He called drone strikes against ISIS terrorist "obscene".

* He boasted about "opposing anti-terror legislation.

* He said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are "strange".

* He accepted a £ 5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.

* He accepted a £ 2,000 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation INTERPAL.

* He called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of INTERPAL, a "very good friend".

* He accepted two more trips from pro - HAMAS group PRG.

* He was the speaker at a conference hosted by pro - HAMAS group MEMO.

* He met HAMAS leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.

* He hosted a meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.

* He is patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign - whose marches are attended by HEZBOLLAH.

* He compared Israel to ISIS, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH and al - Qaeda.

* He said we should not make "value judgements" about Britons who fight for ISIS.

* He received endorsement from HAMAS.

* He attended an event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.

* He chaired Stop the War, who praised "internationalism and solidarity" of ISIS.

* He praised Raed Said, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.

* He signed a letter defending jihadist advocacy group CAGE.

He met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.

*He shared a platform with a representative of extemist cleric Muqtada al - Sadr.

He compared ISIS to the US military in an interview on Russia Today.

* He opposed proscription of Hizb ut - Tahir.

* He attended a conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.

* He attended an Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of the destruction of Israel.

* He supported the HAMAS and ISIS-linked Viva Palestine group.

* He attended a protest with Islamic extemist Mozzam Begg.

* He made the "case for iran" at an event hosted by a Khomeinist group.

* He was photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.

* He was photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.

* He said HAMAS should "have tea with the Queen".

* He attended a "Meet the Resistance" event with HEZBOLLAH MP Hussein El Haj.

* He attended an event with Haifa Zangana, who praised a Palestinian " mujahideen".

* He defended infamous anti - Semitic HAMAS supported Stephen Sizer.

* He attended an event with pro - HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH group Naturei Karta.

* He backed holocaust denying anti - Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.

* He was photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.

* He mocked "anti=terror hysteria" while opposing security services.

* He was named on a speakers' list for a conference with HAMAS sympathiser Ismail Patel.

* He criticised the drone attack that killed Jihadi John.

* He said the 7/7 bombers had been denied "hope and opportunity".

* He said 9/11 was manipulated to make it look like Bin Laden was responsible.

* He failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.

* He called Colombian terror group M-19 "comrades".

* He blamed the beheading of Ala Henning on Britain.

* He gave a speech in support of the Gaddafi regime.

* He signed an EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.

* He blamed the Tunisia attack on "austerity".

* He voted against banning support for the IRA.

* He voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act" three times during the Troubles.

* He voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.

* He voted against stricter punishment for being a member of a terror group.

* He voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.

* He voted against banning Al - Qaeda.

* He voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.

* He voted against control orders.

* He voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terror.

* He is active in the Labour Action for Peace (LAP) movement which the STASI recorded as a movement in line with the beliefs of socialist states behind the Iron Curtain.


So, what's your verdict Arrising_UK ? Traitor ? Naive Moron? Fit character to be British PM ?


Kindest Regards

Dachshund
Lots of reasons to like him there. Almost looks as if he supports FREEDOM. Thanks for the list.
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