Do you think you know that the Moon exists?

[Logik]

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

Isn't this the game every metaphysician plays?

Through repetitive self-contradiction you uncover the structure/patterns of your own mind.

It's a valid strategy if your goal is "know thyself". Only Age doesn't seem to be making any progress.

[Atla]

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

Isn't this the game every metaphysician plays?

Through repetitive self-contradiction you uncover the structure/patterns of your own mind.

It's a valid strategy if your goal is "know thyself".

No, only idiots like you would think that that's what every metaphysician plays.

[Logik]

No, only idiots like you would think that that's what every metaphysician plays.

By contraposition

Only geniuses like me would recognize that is what every metaphysician plays.


Guess we'll never know which hypothesis is the correct one...

[Atla]

No, only idiots like you would think that that's what every metaphysician plays.

By contraposition

Only geniuses like me would recognize that is what every metaphysician plays.


Guess we'll never know which hypothesis is the correct one...

You even fail at producing a simple contraposition.

[Logik]

You even fail at producing a simple contraposition.

Or I didn't fail at not producing a contraposition.

tsk tsk.

You keep dargging me down to your religion of Classical logic, what an ass!

[Dontaskme]

Isn't this the game every metaphysician plays?

No it is not.

A metaphysician is a concept, it's not actually a real person, it's just an idea running in your mind, it's a concept, a fictional character, a conceptual idea of the mind, there is no one playing the play, there is only the play...the actor is not playing, the actor is being played...Life is a play that no one is acting or watching.



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[Logik]

A metaphysician is a concept

A concept is a concept.
A concept of a concept is a concept.
One concept is not the same as another concept.
There is no contradiction in the above propositions.

You don't understand this game. It's called recursion and self-reference.

[Age]

Yes very True. So that would be a Truth, agreed? If you agree, then some might call that an even more Truth.

In fact could anyone disagree with that Truth?

If no one could disagree, then ALL would be in agreement.

Yes, someone could disagree with it.

How could they disagree with it?

Remember 'would' and 'could' are different words with different definitions.

There is no certain Truth, nor it it certain that there is no certain Truth.

WHY did 'you' bring the 'certain' word into this now. I NEVER had.

You are also FREE to BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE absolutely anything you want.

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

WHAT?

WHERE did this come from?

You write things, of which I have NOT yet even yet seen so I could NOT have even responded to them, YET you come up with this ALL by yourself just from YOUR VERY OWN WORDS.

NO matter that I have specifically stated that to me there is NO magical universal knowledge, your BELIEFS still keep leading you back to the same conclusion over and over again.

Back to the mental ward with you.

YOU have ASSUMED what I WOULD say, and then say; Back to the mental ward with me.

When are human beings going to realize the distorting and negative power of self-talk, which arises especially from WRONG ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS?

The actual EVIDENCE is right here to behold and SEE for yourselves.

[Atla]

Yes very True. So that would be a Truth, agreed? If you agree, then some might call that an even more Truth.

In fact could anyone disagree with that Truth?

If no one could disagree, then ALL would be in agreement.

Yes, someone could disagree with it.

How could they disagree with it?

Remember 'would' and 'could' are different words with different definitions.

There is no certain Truth, nor it it certain that there is no certain Truth.

WHY did 'you' bring the 'certain' word into this now. I NEVER had.

You are also FREE to BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE absolutely anything you want.

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

WHAT?

WHERE did this come from?

You write things, of which I have NOT yet even yet seen so I could NOT have even responded to them, YET you come up with this ALL by yourself just from YOUR VERY OWN WORDS.

NO matter that I have specifically stated that to me there is NO magical universal knowledge, your BELIEFS still keep leading you back to the same conclusion over and over again.

Back to the mental ward with you.

YOU have ASSUMED what I WOULD say, and then say; Back to the mental ward with me.

When are human beings going to realize the distorting and negative power of self-talk, which arises especially from WRONG ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS?

The actual EVIDENCE is right here to behold and SEE for yourselves.

They could disagree with it by disagreeing with it.

My assumptions have been confirmed over and over again, all you do is talk about some magical knowledge you think you have access to, and deny doing so. But trying to teach us fools how to do it, condemning us not being able to do it.

You can't fool those psychiatrists, you can't fool me, besides all you did with your "ken" account is preach your allmighty magical knowledge.

You are too fucked up to face your delusions, people like you are destructive and are better locked away, back to the mental ward with you.

[Age]

Yes, someone could disagree with it.

How could they disagree with it?

Remember 'would' and 'could' are different words with different definitions.

There is no certain Truth, nor it it certain that there is no certain Truth.

WHY did 'you' bring the 'certain' word into this now. I NEVER had.

You are also FREE to BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE absolutely anything you want.

You still play this sick game of being certain of not being certain, so you believe we can get access to some magical universal knowledge.

WHAT?

WHERE did this come from?

You write things, of which I have NOT yet even yet seen so I could NOT have even responded to them, YET you come up with this ALL by yourself just from YOUR VERY OWN WORDS.

NO matter that I have specifically stated that to me there is NO magical universal knowledge, your BELIEFS still keep leading you back to the same conclusion over and over again.

Back to the mental ward with you.

YOU have ASSUMED what I WOULD say, and then say; Back to the mental ward with me.

When are human beings going to realize the distorting and negative power of self-talk, which arises especially from WRONG ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS?

The actual EVIDENCE is right here to behold and SEE for yourselves.

They could disagree with it by disagreeing with it.

My assumptions have been confirmed over and over again, all you do is talk about some magical knowledge you think you have access to, and deny doing so. But trying to teach us fools how to do it, condemning us not being able to do it.

You can't fool those psychiatrists, you can't fool me, besides all you did with your "ken" account is preach your allmighty magical knowledge.

You are too fucked up to face your delusions, people like you are destructive and are better locked away, back to the mental ward with you.

Okay, that is fair enough. You have your view of me.

But next time instead of trying to engage in a discussion with me, pretending that you are somewhat open, just remain HONEST from the outset and affirm that you are rigid in, and with, your own BELIEFS, and that you will constantly BELIEVE that I BELIEVE that there is some "magical knowledge".

That way we KNOW were we both stand from the beginning.

[Atla]

How could they disagree with it?

Remember 'would' and 'could' are different words with different definitions.



WHY did 'you' bring the 'certain' word into this now. I NEVER had.

You are also FREE to BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE absolutely anything you want.



WHAT?

WHERE did this come from?

You write things, of which I have NOT yet even yet seen so I could NOT have even responded to them, YET you come up with this ALL by yourself just from YOUR VERY OWN WORDS.

NO matter that I have specifically stated that to me there is NO magical universal knowledge, your BELIEFS still keep leading you back to the same conclusion over and over again.



YOU have ASSUMED what I WOULD say, and then say; Back to the mental ward with me.

When are human beings going to realize the distorting and negative power of self-talk, which arises especially from WRONG ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS?

The actual EVIDENCE is right here to behold and SEE for yourselves.

They could disagree with it by disagreeing with it.

My assumptions have been confirmed over and over again, all you do is talk about some magical knowledge you think you have access to, and deny doing so. But trying to teach us fools how to do it, condemning us not being able to do it.

You can't fool those psychiatrists, you can't fool me, besides all you did with your "ken" account is preach your allmighty magical knowledge.

You are too fucked up to face your delusions, people like you are destructive and are better locked away, back to the mental ward with you.

Okay, that is fair enough. You have your view of me.

But next time instead of trying to engage in a discussion with me, pretending that you are somewhat open, just remain HONEST from the outset and affirm that you are rigid in, and with, your own BELIEFS, and that you will constantly BELIEVE that I BELIEVE that there is some "magical knowledge".

That way we KNOW were we both stand from the beginning.

1. I don't remember engaging a conversation with you since months, you keep starting it. I'm trying to get rid of you.
2. I've been saying since months that I think you have this universe knowledge crap.
3. I consider myself to be more open than you, which is why I had the strength to not fall into the trap where you are.

[Age]

They could disagree with it by disagreeing with it.

My assumptions have been confirmed over and over again, all you do is talk about some magical knowledge you think you have access to, and deny doing so. But trying to teach us fools how to do it, condemning us not being able to do it.

You can't fool those psychiatrists, you can't fool me, besides all you did with your "ken" account is preach your allmighty magical knowledge.

You are too fucked up to face your delusions, people like you are destructive and are better locked away, back to the mental ward with you.

Okay, that is fair enough. You have your view of me.

But next time instead of trying to engage in a discussion with me, pretending that you are somewhat open, just remain HONEST from the outset and affirm that you are rigid in, and with, your own BELIEFS, and that you will constantly BELIEVE that I BELIEVE that there is some "magical knowledge".

That way we KNOW were we both stand from the beginning.

1. I don't remember engaging a conversation with you since months, you keep starting it. I'm trying to get rid of you.

Yet another adult blaming some thing else for what they, themselves, do.

How hard is it to NOT respond to a post and/or add some one to the ignore list?

2. I've been saying since months that I think you have this universe knowledge crap.

Yes you have. You have said that you have gone through a FULL AWAKENING also, if I recall correctly. You gained NO universal knowledge from that, therefore that means there is absolutely NO universal knowledge.

And, the FULLY AWAKENED ONE would KNOW, correct?

3. I consider myself to be more open than you, which is why I had the strength to not fall into the trap where you are.

You are FREE to consider yourself as anything you like.

What 'trap' do you think that I am in, where I am?

[Atla]

Okay, that is fair enough. You have your view of me.

But next time instead of trying to engage in a discussion with me, pretending that you are somewhat open, just remain HONEST from the outset and affirm that you are rigid in, and with, your own BELIEFS, and that you will constantly BELIEVE that I BELIEVE that there is some "magical knowledge".

That way we KNOW were we both stand from the beginning.

1. I don't remember engaging a conversation with you since months, you keep starting it. I'm trying to get rid of you.

Yet another adult blaming some thing else for what they, themselves, do.

How hard is it to NOT respond to a post and/or add some one to the ignore list?

2. I've been saying since months that I think you have this universe knowledge crap.

Yes you have. You have said that you have gone through a FULL AWAKENING also, if I recall correctly. You gained NO universal knowledge from that, therefore that means there is absolutely NO universal knowledge.

And, the FULLY AWAKENED ONE would KNOW, correct?

3. I consider myself to be more open than you, which is why I had the strength to not fall into the trap where you are.

You are FREE to consider yourself as anything you like.

What 'trap' do you think that I am in, where I am?

You don't need any awakening to realize that there is no such knowledge.
Anyway I'll take your advice and not respond further.
Just remember to pretend to be as normal as you can at the next examination.

[Age]

1. I don't remember engaging a conversation with you since months, you keep starting it. I'm trying to get rid of you.

Yet another adult blaming some thing else for what they, themselves, do.

How hard is it to NOT respond to a post and/or add some one to the ignore list?

2. I've been saying since months that I think you have this universe knowledge crap.

Yes you have. You have said that you have gone through a FULL AWAKENING also, if I recall correctly. You gained NO universal knowledge from that, therefore that means there is absolutely NO universal knowledge.

And, the FULLY AWAKENED ONE would KNOW, correct?

3. I consider myself to be more open than you, which is why I had the strength to not fall into the trap where you are.

You are FREE to consider yourself as anything you like.

What 'trap' do you think that I am in, where I am?

You don't need any awakening to realize that there is no such knowledge.
Anyway I'll take your advice and not respond further.
Just remember to pretend to be as normal as you can at the next examination.

I could go to any examination proclaim that 'I am God' and still walk out FREE.

[Speakpigeon]

"Now, can you explain what difference you make, if any, between knowing and believing? How can you tell something is actual knowledge rather than just a very convincing delusion or belief?"
There's a thin line between believing and knowing and, like anyone, I'm as liable to be on one side as the other. Mebbe credibility is a decent, but not universal, criteria. For example, I know the moon exists and I know it ain't made of cheese. Credibility probably applies to (most) questions of sanity too: 'I can get to the moon by rocket' is sane; 'I can get to the moon by flatulence' is sumthin' else.
Knowing is probably reason, experience in equal parts (with a dash of belief for spice).

So knowledge is just rational belief?
EB