Philosophy Now Forum

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:36 pm Language is our best comprehension between each other as to the nature of existence.

The 'nature of existence' is the kind of bullshit idiot philosophers talk about.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:36 pm NO. AI does not have qualia - it is conscious if it does! ergo, no longer an 'artificial' intelligence.

Fuck me. You really can't reason your way out of a paper bag.

Being an AI, having qualia and being conscious are NOT mutually exclusive ONTOLOGICALLY SPEAKING.

They are only mutually exclusive BY DEFINITION, but ONTOLOGY trumps DEFINITIONS.

Epistemically speaking, there is no way for you to determine that you are NOT an AI.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:40 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:36 pm Language is our best comprehension between each other as to the nature of existence.

The 'nature of existence' is the kind of bullshit idiot philosophers talk about.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:36 pm NO. AI does not have qualia - it is conscious if it does! ergo, no longer an 'artificial' intelligence.

Fuck me. You really can't reason your way out of a paper bag.

Being an AI, having qualia and being conscious are NOT mutually exclusive ONTOLOGICALLY SPEAKING.

They are only mutually exclusive BY DEFINITION.

Epistemically speaking, there is no way for you to determine that you are NOT an AI.

Ooo. You is getting nasty now...now that you've lost the argument and so are resorting to drawing in some deep semantics.

Being AI and having QUALIA (to me) ARE mutually exclusive.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm Ooo. You is getting nasty now...now that you've lost the argument and so are resorting to drawing in some deep semantics.

You win the argument.
You win the entire internet.
You win the Philosophy special olympics.

You still don't understand. And that's a loss.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm Being AI and having QUALIA (to me) ARE mutually exclusive.

What if you are wrong?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:47 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm Ooo. You is getting nasty now...now that you've lost the argument and so are resorting to drawing in some deep semantics.

You win the argument.
You win the entire internet.
You win the Philosophy special olympics.

You still don't understand.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm Being AI and having QUALIA (to me) ARE mutually exclusive.

What if you are wrong?

Why is under before stand? When you stand on the podium - as I am right now, what is it that I am under?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:47 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:44 pm Being AI and having QUALIA (to me) ARE mutually exclusive.

What if you are wrong?

What if? Wrong to who? I define my own conditions every now and then!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:50 pm What if? Wrong to who? I define my own conditions every now and then!

Precisely!!!

To you 'consciousness' can only ever be that which you have defined based on your own imagination.

Congratulations. You've invented a concept.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:54 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:50 pm What if? Wrong to who? I define my own conditions every now and then!

Precisely!!!

To you 'consciousness' can only ever be that which you have defined based on your own imagination.

Congratulations. You've invented a concept.

You misunderstand the difference between imagination and comprehension\knowledge.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:55 pm You misunderstand the difference between imagination and comprehension\knowledge.

No, you misunderstand.

If you have only one Theory of Consciousness, you have already made up your mind about what consciousness is.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:56 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:55 pm You misunderstand the difference between imagination and comprehension\knowledge.

No, you misunderstand.

If you have only one Theory of Consciousness, you have already made up your mind about what consciousness is.

Of course I only have one theory as to what consciousness is because I am the only one that I KNOW CERTAINLY experiences it.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:58 pm Of course I only have one theory as to what consciousness is because I am the only one that I KNOW CERTAINLY experiences it.

Which is exactly why you aren't testing ME for "consciousness" - you are testing ME for "sameness"!

Sameness as you.

You already believe that you are conscious. And you are dogmatic about it. Nothing will convince you otherwise.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:59 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:58 pm Of course I only have one theory as to what consciousness is because I am the only one that I KNOW CERTAINLY experiences it.

Which is exactly why you aren't testing ME for "consciousness" - you are testing ME for "sameness"!

Sameness as you.

You already believe that you are consciousness. And you are dogmatic about it. Nothing will convince you otherwise.

Are YOU conscious?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:59 pm Are YOU conscious?

*sigh* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logocentrism

Epistemically speaking - I don't know who or what I am. And I am OK with that!

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:02 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:59 pm Are YOU conscious?

*sigh* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logocentrism

Fuck your links. DOGMA AM_GOD

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:02 pm Fuck your links. DOGMA AM_GOD

You seem to know so much about the consciousness, maybe you should tell us whether it's monolithic or modular?

Which parts of your brain can we safely remove while your 'consciousness' remains intact?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:04 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:02 pm Fuck your links. DOGMA AM_GOD

You seem to know so much about the consciousness, maybe you should tell us whether it's monolithic or modular?

Which parts of the brain can we safely remove while 'consciousness' remains intact?

With yours probably 90%.