Philosophy Now Forum

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:07 pmblah, blah, blah

Plato is not here... you are... and you're not Plato. Your skewed interpretations and hero-worship of various individuals (which are no more significant than anyone else) is your own self-serving trip. It is apparently the only path YOU can see any sense in, which shows the limits of YOUR comprehension and perspective within such a vast Universe. Strange that you are so resistant to exploring and expanding further... but maybe you're just really in this for yourself, and you must therefore protect yourself and the small limited platform that you can feel you know and rule.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:35 pm
The common theme here is that all opposed to the glorification of dualistic secular reasoning deserve verbal abuse and cyber bullying. Of course none of them will even question what it means to reason. To do so would interfere with their indoctrination.

...the only "indoctrination" I ever received was a flu shot!

I find it funny how a thread about bullying ends up as bullying. If I started a thread about friendship would the thread be friendly?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:13 am

Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:07 pmblah, blah, blah

Plato is not here... you are... and you're not Plato. Your skewed interpretations and hero-worship of various individuals (which are no more significant than anyone else) is your own self-serving trip. It is apparently the only path YOU can see any sense in, which shows the limits of YOUR comprehension and perspective within such a vast Universe. Strange that you are so resistant to exploring and expanding further... but maybe you're just really in this for yourself, and you must therefore protect yourself and the small limited platform that you can feel you know and rule.

I quote people I agree with rather than interpret them so as to avoid any confusion. There is no reason for hero worship. It would be disrespectful for any of these people. I admire and support talent and abilities I believe support awakening. That isn’t hero worship but recognition of a necessity.

UK’s famous marine artist Joseph Turner called one of my ancestors a genius. I admire his talent and vision but do not have it. This isn’t hero worship but just honest recognition.

Did it ever occur that since Jesus, Socrates, Simone Weil, Jacob Needleman, Einstein and Basarab Nicolescu all are and were capable of deductive reason and recognizing the human condition, that maybe you are missing something that philosophy invites us to “remember?”

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am I find it funny how a thread about bullying ends up as bullying. If I started a thread about friendship would the thread be friendly?

What better way of proving the reality of bullying and the reason for justifying it than allowing it to take place. The real crime is that this is what similar "educated" experts do to students trapped in schools experiencing the normal questions a person begins to feel at a certain age. Spirit killing is tragic.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:09 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am I find it funny how a thread about bullying ends up as bullying. If I started a thread about friendship would the thread be friendly?

What better way of proving the reality of bullying and the reason for justifying it than allowing it to take place. The real crime is that this is what similar "educated" experts do to students trapped in schools experiencing the normal questions a person begins to feel at a certain age. Spirit killing is tragic.

The educators that talk about bullying usually actualize it in some form or manner, south park had a view funny episodes that observe this. The point is that talking about bullying eventually leads into it, no different than the continual talk of diversity leads to it.

Nick_A wrote:We refers to those here in agreement on the justification of verbal abuse and cyber bullying.

But you are the one who uses verbal abuse and 'cyber-bullying'(whatever that nonsense is supposed to be)?

Nick_A wrote:... Spirit killing is tragic.

It may well be, give us an example of what you talk about?

Nick_A wrote:... that maybe you are missing something that philosophy invites us to “remember?”

Does it ever occur to you that you have fundamentally misunderstood what the Greeks were talking about with respect to remembering?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:05 am

Nick_A wrote:We refers to those here in agreement on the justification of verbal abuse and cyber bullying.

But you are the one who uses verbal abuse and 'cyber-bullying'(whatever that nonsense is supposed to be)?

This is really priceless. I'm the one that has been declared guilty of something even though we con't know what it is. This is the epitome of the perversion of progressive logic that lives by the axiom "the ends justify the means."

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:08 am

Nick_A wrote:... that maybe you are missing something that philosophy invites us to “remember?”

Does it ever occur to you that you have fundamentally misunderstood what the Greeks were talking about with respect to remembering?

Regardless if you re referring to Plato, St. Augustine, or Descartes, The human essence has the ability to remember what always was.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:09 am What better way of proving the reality of bullying and the reason for justifying it than allowing it to take place.

Well, of course you can (and do) mislabel anything as bullying simply because someone tells you that what you're saying is absurd or dishonest. That is not bullying.

For example, one dictionary definition of bully says this: a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.

That is not happening here. People are simply speaking their minds and pointing out questionable issues they see in (sometimes outrageous) reasoning, statements, and behavior of others. As for verbal abuse, you of all people, Nick, are known for attacking people's characters, which could be considered verbally abusive... so anything you have to say about this topic, know that it applies to you.

Lacewing

That is not happening here. People are simply speaking their minds and pointing out questionable issues they see in the (sometimes outrageous) reasoning, statements, and behavior of others. As for verbal abuse, you of all people, Nick, are known for attacking people's characters, which could be considered verbally abusive... so anything you have to say about this topic, know that it applies to you.

This is an outright lie started by Greta. I defy you to find one example of me attacking a person's character. Pointing out that Greta lies about me is about as far as it goes. There is nothing else to attack. Have I attacked you? No, it serves no purpose. Secularists do not appreciate the deeper truths expressed through the Cave analogy and feel compelled to call it outrageous reasoning and condemn it as such on the net through verbal abuse and cyber bullying

"There are only two kinds of scholars; those who love ideas and those who hate them." ~ Emile Chartier

I've learned by experience that secular progressives hate ideas which suggest a source of meaning greater than what the Great Beast provides. Their egoism cannot tolerate such an idea. Their hatred when manifested in schools promotes metaphysical repression on developing minds. It is just as abusive as physical abuse. Yet such an obvious destruction of eros in the young is praised by secular educators. Sick stuff.

If you are a lurker following this thread and are confused about the disagreement over the value of literal thought, I invite you to read this. Einstein was capable of intuition because he was capable of conscious awareness.

Whatever debases the intelligence degrades the entire human being. ~ Simone Weil

The role of the intelligence - that part of us which affirms and denies and formulates opinions is merely to submit. ~ Simone Weil

It is reasonable to ask how Simone could place such a high value on intelligence yet assert that at some point we have to stop relying on thought and open to conscious awareness .

What is the difference between “thinking” and “awareness?” Thinking is thought intensive while awareness is presence or simple attention in the moment. “Thinking” is when your mind creates thoughts about the situation you are in. “Awareness” is when your attention is focused on the situation simply observing with your senses. You are aware through what you see, hear, feel, smell, taste. Thinking separates us from the immediacy of the situation. Awareness gives us direct perception of the situation and allows us to perceive it more accurately.

Dualistic Associative thought deals with the past and anticipates the future through a small part of ourselves. In contrast conscious awareness experiences “now” with the whole of ourselves. It allows for conscious awareness which makes objective intuition, a higher quality of intellect, possible.

People who indulge in hostility under the pretense of philosophy only destroy the value of philosophy in themselves and in others. Would you really want to be one of these people or a person who psychologically profits from the intent of philosophy?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:32 am I defy you to find one example of me attacking a person's character.

You have made MANY false accusations against me and my character over the years, Nick... and I've always pointed them out to you. But you're not going to hear or acknowledge what you don't want to see or believe -- even when someone is telling you that you're completely misrepresenting or mischaracterizing them, as well as being rude and dishonest.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:32 am I've learned by experience that secular progressives hate ideas which suggest a source of meaning greater than what the Great Beast provides.

Well, since that's bullshit in a lot of realities, your "learning" and "experience" only goes so far. Your statement DOES however actually describe you, in that you appear to hate ideas which suggest a source of meaning greater than what you're thoroughly intoxicated with.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:32 am Their egoism cannot tolerate such an idea.

That is your creation built by your own ego.