Re: ~ The Case For Socialism ~
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:49 pm
Yeah, go ahead and tell me that today's aborigines think the same way as their ancestors did 60,000 years ago.
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I doubt if they even think the same way as they thought yesterday, you fucking moron. Do you?bobevenson wrote:Yeah, go ahead and tell me that today's aborigines think the same way as their ancestors did 60,000 years ago.
Obvious Leo wrote:I doubt if they even think the same way as they thought yesterday, you fucking moron. Do you?bobevenson wrote:Yeah, go ahead and tell me that today's aborigines think the same way as their ancestors did 60,000 years ago.
Why don't you just retract the above post, you godforsaken idiot!The Australian aborigines had a far more sophisticated relationship with the land than any of the modern societies in the world do. To them the land was not something which could be owned because it was the provider of all their physical needs. Instead of seeing themselves as owners of the land they saw themselves as merely custodians of it whose responsibility it was to manage the land in such a way that it could provide for the physical needs of future generations indefinitely. They lived on this continent for 60,000 years before the European invasion and barely put a mark on the place in that entire time. In a little over two centuries since colonisation the arid regions have doubled in area and the Australian ecosystem has experienced the highest rate of species extinction since the Cretaceous-Paleogene event which wiped out the dinosaurs. Capitalism has not been a resounding success here for the people who could actually teach us how live in the joint.
First you tell me the way aborigines thought 60,000 years ago, and now you tell me they don't think the same way two days in a row. See a doctor, my friend, no, a team of doctors!Obvious Leo wrote:I stand by every word of it.
Why don't you reread what I wrote instead of translating my words to accord with your own unknowable agenda. I didn't say a word about how the aborigines thought 60,000 years ago. I spoke of how they successfully managed the land for 60,000 years without any concept whatsoever of land "ownership". Even in modern aboriginal culture the very idea of human beings owning land is a concept of spectacular absurdity. In fact in the more remote and traditional communities the notion of the personal ownership of anything at all is seen as rather absurd. It's not hard to see how they were sitting ducks for exploitation by the rapacious European invaders. The poor bastards never stood a chance but they'd got along just fine for 60,000 years without having to "own" a fucking thing. THAT is the point I was making.bobevenson wrote:First you tell me the way aborigines thought 60,000 years ago, and now you tell me they don't think the same way two days in a row. See a doctor, my friend, no, a team of doctors!Obvious Leo wrote:I stand by every word of it.
There is a very BIG difference between running away from the turmoil that is modern man's society, because it's less than you, and running away with shotgun in hand because it's more than you. Take a look in your crystal ball, I believe you'll actually only ever find yourself staring back at you.henry quirk wrote:Bob,
Leo believes in the 'noble savage'...same dumb myth is promoted in the U.S. about Indians (oh, excuse me, 'Native Americans' ).
Only reason the 'noble savages' of the world didn't 'rape' the land like them debbil capitalists is cuz all the noble savages had were sticks, rocks, fists, and fire. Hop in your DeLorean, go back, give the 'noble savages' some technology, watch 'em go nuts on the land, the air, the water. Who needs 'dreamtime' when you got the widescreen and cable?
I like that crystal ball you're sporting, What else does it tell you? Does it get the yet to happen future as well?
In fact, you're just justifying that portion of your life, that you took from all the possibilities that were laid out before you, as you "grew?" with your selections, because god forbid, you made the wrong choices. It's a common flaw in the human psyche, a need to justify itself at all costs, or it withers and dies. As ones insanity might only be, one internal conflict away, I'd be careful if I were you. How many swirling vortexes are spinning around in your head?
The people that killed off the American Indian, did so with things of their time, of their world that they left behind, one Atlantic Ocean away! No need to time travel tard, the truths of both cultures in that time, their time, are equally known, by anyone that cares to read and understand. To try and mingle the now with the past is in fact a fools game, containing far too many variables for such a small mind to understand, let alone account for.
Poop on your 'noble savage', Leo.
You're also caught up with definitions of things you really don't know much about. So in order to mimic your assertion, You are seemingly a very non noble savage. Definitely a savage, so I'm left wondering what you're actually capable of understanding, in it's truest light of course.
Are you a fool HQ, because most often you sound like one!henry quirk wrote:"so where can you go to actually live freely?"
Seems to me, right now, I can go all kinds of places and buy or rent all kinds of shelter.
Ain't nuthin' 'free' (unless you're a parasite who expects some one else to foot the tab for your living).
Are you a parasite, SoB? Sometimes you sound like one, other times you don't.
Oh yeah, the fear of claiming to be a wolf (bear) instead of a sheep. You supposed observation, is merely an illusion based upon your, unfounded fear, anxiety anyone?henry quirk wrote:uwot,
Mebbe you wanna go back and read what I posted (on land ownership, for example) before givin' me the dress down.
As for the promoters of communitarianism: the democrats are lousy with 'em. Elizabeth Warren comes to mind.
As to my paranoia: it's well-founded (sez the bear outside the chute, to the sheep inside the chute, being led to the slaughter).
Then not quite definite! Can you say, "swampland?"bobevenson wrote:"The relationship between modern Indigenous Australians and Australia's earliest inhabitants remains a matter of scholarly debate. The earliest definite human remains found to date in Australia are those of Mungo Man, which have been dated at about 40,000 years old, but comparison of the mitochondrial DNA with that of ancient and modern Aborigines indicates that Mungo Man is unrelated to any modern Indigenous Australians. The time of arrival of humans in Australia is also a matter of debate among researchers, with estimates dating back as far as 125,000 years ago." -WikipediaArising_uk wrote:Are you mental bob? They were still there 200 odd years ago when the British landed.bobevenson wrote:What the fuck do you or anybody else really know about Australian aborigines, people who lived in your godforsaken country 60,000 years ago? Get out of your fucking fantasy world, OK?
I agree! That's a given, right?uwot wrote:Are you serious, K?Arising_uk wrote:Are you mental bob?
Leo, Bob's a fucking screaming idiot, most of the time, though I'll certainly defend his right to be so. He believes he's a prophet for gods sake, "what a maroon!" I try and help him with his thinking, but then I realize, again, that he's a lost cause. So I go back to humoring him. That is until he even further exemplifies his inadequacies, as I try and help him yet again, a vicious circle.Obvious Leo wrote:Why don't you reread what I wrote instead of translating my words to accord with your own unknowable agenda. I didn't say a word about how the aborigines thought 60,000 years ago. I spoke of how they successfully managed the land for 60,000 years without any concept whatsoever of land "ownership". Even in modern aboriginal culture the very idea of human beings owning land is a concept of spectacular absurdity. In fact in the more remote and traditional communities the notion of the personal ownership of anything at all is seen as rather absurd. It's not hard to see how they were sitting ducks for exploitation by the rapacious European invaders. The poor bastards never stood a chance but they'd got along just fine for 60,000 years without having to "own" a fucking thing. THAT is the point I was making.bobevenson wrote:First you tell me the way aborigines thought 60,000 years ago, and now you tell me they don't think the same way two days in a row. See a doctor, my friend, no, a team of doctors!Obvious Leo wrote:I stand by every word of it.
I see him more as a devil's advocate pointing out some of the more obvious absurdities in the modern world. The world which he advocates is an abstraction which runs counter to the basic facts of our evolutionary biology and is therefore one which must inevitably lead to the extinction of homo sapiens as a species. It was our ability to evolve collectively which allowed us to claw our way to the top of the tree of sentience in the biosphere and thus establish ourselves as the uber-predator on the planet but it is this very same intelligence which will ultimately drive us into oblivion if we don't learn to use it as a collective.SpheresOfBalance wrote:Leo, Bob's a fucking screaming idiot, most of the time, though I'll certainly defend his right to be so. He believes he's a prophet for gods sake,