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Hobbes' Choice wrote:

raw_thought wrote:How is that a childish rant? Simply pointing out that giving evidence and links to primary sources is not hysterical.

You did not give any primary sources. And you were being insulting.
You did not get anywhere near your exaggerated claims.

raw_thought wrote:In response to the false claim that 97% of climate scientists do not endorse global warming.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -consensus
The fact is that the scientific consensus in favor of global warming is overwhelming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientifi ... ate_change
Yes, that is wiki. However note that they provide links to primary sources to each scientific organizations claims.
This next site (from Scientific American) takes on all the junk science from the global warming denier cult. Hockey stick…etc.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -nonsense/
Of course some may site the fraudulent Oregon petition
http://www.skepticalscience.com/OISM-Pe ... roject.htm
Of course some may site the fraudulent climategate. To say that we found a neat trick is like saying we found a neat trick to do this calculus problem in fewer steps
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climate ... hacked.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
I will stick with NASA
http://climate.nasa.gov/
The Royal Society,
It is certain that increased greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and from land use change lead to a warming of climate, and it is very likely that these green house gases are the dominant cause of the global warming that has been taking place over the last 50 years.
FROM
https://royalsociety.org/policy/climate-change/
AND,
• American Chemical Society[54]
• American Institute of Physics[55]
• American Physical Society[56]
• Australian Institute of Physics[57]
• European Physical Society[58]

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Meteorological Society
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
United States National Research Council
Royal Society of New Zealand
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Science Foundation
InterAcademy Council
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
Geological Society of America

Geological Society of London
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Science
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
World Meteorological Organization
American Quaternary Association
International Union for Quaternary Research
• American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians[79]
• American Institute of Biological Sciences. In October 2009, the leaders of 18 US scientific societies and organizations sent an open letter to the United States Senate reaffirming the scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and is primarily caused by human activities. The American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) adopted this letter as their official position statement.[80][81] The letter goes on to warn of predicted impacts on the United States such as sea level rise and increases in extreme weather events, water scarcity, heat waves, wildfires, and the disturbance of biological systems. It then advocates for a dramatic reduction in emissions of greenhouse gases.[82]
• American Society for Microbiology[83]
• Australian Coral Reef Society[84]
• Institute of Biology (UK)[85]
• Society of American Foresters issued two position statements pertaining to climate change in which they cite the IPCC[86] and the UNFCCC.[87]
• The Wildlife Society (international)[88]
Human health
A number of health organizations have warned about the numerous negative health effects of global warming
• American Academy of Pediatrics[89]
• American College of Preventive Medicine[90]
• American Medical Association[91]
• American Public Health Association[92]
• Australian Medical Association in 2004[93] and in 2008[94]
• World Federation of Public Health Associations[95]
• World Health Organization[96]
• American Astronomical Society[97]
• American Statistical Association[98]
• The Institution of Engineers Australia[99]
• International Association for Great Lakes Research[100]
• Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand[101]
• The World Federation of Engineering Organizations (WFEO)
As of 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement, no scientific body of national or international scientists rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change.


NOAA says that we are getting warmer and breaking records! *
"The combined average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces for August 2014 was record high for the month, at 0.75°C (1.35°F) above the 20th century average of 15.6°C (60.1°F), topping the previous record set in 1998.
The global land surface temperature was 0.99°C (1.78°F) above the 20th century average of 13.8°C (56.9°F), the second highest on record for August, behind 1998.
For the ocean, the August global sea surface temperature was 0.65°C (1.17°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.4°F). This record high departure from average not only beats the previous August record set in 2005 by 0.08°C (0.14°F), but also beats the previous all-time record set just two months ago in June 2014 by 0.03°C (0.05°F).
The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for the June?August period was also record high for this period, at 0.71°C (1.28°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.5°F), beating the previous record set in 1998.
The June?August worldwide land surface temperature was 0.91°C (1.64°F) above the 20th century average, the fifth highest on record for this period. The global ocean surface temperature for the same period was 0.63°C (1.13°F) above the 20th century average, the highest on record for June?August. This beats the previous record set in 2009 by 0.04°C (0.07°F).
FROM
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201506
Other factors have been ruled out by the entire world's scientific community
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm

At least read this link!!!
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

raw_thought wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

raw_thought wrote:How is that a childish rant? Simply pointing out that giving evidence and links to primary sources is not hysterical.

You did not give any primary sources. And you were being insulting.
You did not get anywhere near your exaggerated claims.

Um scroll back. Not only did I give primary sources (the Royal Academy, NASA,NOAA) but I said yes that ONE site is wiki but it gives primary sites.

raw_thought wrote:NASA, Royal Academy, American Meteorological Society, NOAA are not primary sites???

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

raw_thought wrote:NASA, Royal Academy, American Meteorological Society, NOAA are not primary sites???

Do you know the difference between the word cite and site?

Graeme M wrote:raw_thought, scientists do not say that weather patterns are out of the norm. They project likelihoods of change according to both observations and theoretical considerations. There is no 'norm', simply a statistical average for some particular period.

Here, for example, from the Summary for Policy Makers:

It is very likely that the number of cold days and nights has decreased and the number of warm days and nights has increased on the global scale. It is likely that the frequency of heat waves has increased in large parts of Europe, Asia and Australia. It is very likely that human influence has contributed to the observed global scale changes in the frequency and intensity of daily temperature extremes since the mid-20th century. It is likely that human influence has more than doubled the probability of occurrence of heat waves in some locations. There is medium confidence that the observed warming has increased heat-related human mortality and decreased cold-related human mortality in some regions. There are likely more land regions where the number of heavy precipitation events has increased than where it has decreased. Recent detection of increasing trends in extreme precipitation and discharge in some catchments implies greater risks of flooding at regional scale (medium confidence). It is likely that extreme sea levels (for example, as experienced in storm surges) have increased since 1970, being mainly a result of rising mean sea level.


I am just observing that people are being encouraged to jump to conclusions about weather and climate that are not actually justified. It is not as bad as people like you imagine it to be.