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Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: There is one massive example: his entire canon of work. Symphony 40 is quite nice, but really? It's all a bit chintzy.

Ridiculous.

No. It's all crap. Mozart is okay for children but its not very challenging to a mature ear.

Had he lived longer then maybe he's have written something worthwhile, but I'd not swap his entire cannon for Beethoven's first Symphony. Ludwig Van had real class.

Ok. Right. He's only universally accepted as one of the three greatest of the great. It's not a competition between them. They are three completely different composers, from different times. My own favourite happens to be Bach, but they all wrote sublime music. They were all geniuses.
You might not personally like Mozart's music, but that doesn't make it any less worthy.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Ridiculous.

No. It's all crap. Mozart is okay for children but its not very challenging to a mature ear.

Had he lived longer then maybe he's have written something worthwhile, but I'd not swap his entire cannon for Beethoven's first Symphony. Ludwig Van had real class.

Ok. Right. He's only universally accepted as one of the three greatest of the great.
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PS.

It's not only me. you should Google "I don't like Mozart". I just did and it is quite a revelation.

Apparently Glenn Gould described his work as" an appalling collection of cliches"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fj_ ... es&f=false

And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greta wrote: Something more mainstream here but a truly beautiful performance - Crosby, Pevar & Raymond - Deja Vu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Mg2IVmb6U

Deja Vu OR just Derivative??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwMdZOlPo8

Ah, I hadn't picked that up. Obvious now in hindsight. Still, when you consider how many songs have been based on Tacobell's Canon [sic] I think those tasty sus chords at least worth a few copies.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Beethoven of course. A lot of people say they don't like him too. I don't necessarily agree with everything Glenn Gould did or supposedly said. I've listened to some of his Mozart and it's pretty awful.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Beethoven of course. A lot of people say they don't like him too. I don't necessarily agree with everything Glenn Gould did or supposedly said. I've listened to some of his Mozart and it's pretty awful.

Beethoven is obvious. WHo else?

Greta wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greta wrote: Something more mainstream here but a truly beautiful performance - Crosby, Pevar & Raymond - Deja Vu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Mg2IVmb6U

Deja Vu OR just Derivative??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwMdZOlPo8

Ah, I hadn't picked that up. Obvious now in hindsight. Still, when you consider how many songs have been based on Tacobell's Canon [sic] I think those tasty sus chords at least worth a few copies.

Sorry - don't get the reference to "tacobell"

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Beethoven of course. A lot of people say they don't like him too. I don't necessarily agree with everything Glenn Gould did or supposedly said. I've listened to some of his Mozart and it's pretty awful.

Beethoven is obvious. WHo else?

Read the post.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greta wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: Deja Vu OR just Derivative??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPwMdZOlPo8

Ah, I hadn't picked that up. Obvious now in hindsight. Still, when you consider how many songs have been based on Tacobell's Canon [sic] I think those tasty sus chords at least worth a few copies.

Sorry - don't get the reference to "tacobell"

'Pachelbel'.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Beethoven of course. A lot of people say they don't like him too. I don't necessarily agree with everything Glenn Gould did or supposedly said. I've listened to some of his Mozart and it's pretty awful.

Glenn Gould was a loud mouth who made himself into an authority on everything. He couldn't keep his mouth shut even while performing. His performances of Mozart's piano sonatas were purposely played badly to prove that Mozart was a bad composer. Had he performed Beethoven that way he would have "proven" that he too was a bad composer. If Gould had lived 100 years, it wouldn't have amounted to ONE day in the life of Mozart.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greta wrote: Ah, I hadn't picked that up. Obvious now in hindsight. Still, when you consider how many songs have been based on Tacobell's Canon [sic] I think those tasty sus chords at least worth a few copies.

Sorry - don't get the reference to "tacobell"

'Pachelbel'.

So Mozart, Beethoven and Pachelbel?
That's the top three?


Not Wagner, Purcell, Grieg, Mahler ?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sorry - don't get the reference to "tacobell"

'Pachelbel'.

So Mozart, Beethoven and Pachelbel?
That's the top three?


Not Wagner, Purcell, Grieg, Mahler ?

Don't be ridiculous. Are you reading the posts? Bach, Beethoven and Mozart!

Dubious wrote:He couldn't keep his mouth shut even while performing.

I do love his Bach though. The Mozart I heard him playing was so bad that the same thing occurred to me--that it was on purpose.

Dubious wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:And who is the other one???

... of the three?

Beethoven of course. A lot of people say they don't like him too. I don't necessarily agree with everything Glenn Gould did or supposedly said. I've listened to some of his Mozart and it's pretty awful.

Glenn Gould was a loud mouth who made himself into an authority on everything. He couldn't keep his mouth shut even while performing. His performances of Mozart's piano sonatas were purposely played badly to prove that Mozart was a bad composer. Had he performed Beethoven that way he would have "proven" that he too was a bad composer. If Gould had lived 100 years, it wouldn't have amounted to ONE day in the life of Mozart.

I do not care for your character assassination of Gould. It's not even relevant.
I was simply reacting to your absurd comment ". He's only universally accepted as one of the three greatest of the great."
Which is utterly ridiculous. There are many great composers, musicians, and conductors who consider Mozart to be populist and very overrated.
Far from being "universally" accepted as a great, Mozart would have to line up by a dozen or more greater composers his fame being mainly due to his youth and early death.

Much of his music is what I would characterise as 'easy listening'; unchallenging and like sticky-buns far too easy to have enough after very little.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: 'Pachelbel'.

So Mozart, Beethoven and Pachelbel?
That's the top three?


Not Wagner, Purcell, Grieg, Mahler ?

Don't be ridiculous. Are you reading the posts? Bach, Beethoven and Mozart!

Yes I am reading posts. You said you liked Bach. That is not the same as one of The Three Greats. Just because you like him.