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attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:21 pm I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:21 pm I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Hello again L acewing

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:21 pm I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Aye, it's all aesthetics at the end of the day. Mine could be more stoical, kinder...

Is there anybody else out there apart from yourself, Lacewing, & Belinda?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:21 pm I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes?

Of course, but there is only One only actual Truth, obviously.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Surely for those who have views and/or beliefs and assumptions, which are in opposition with others, then this would leave some doubt within them.

'That' 'one' says there is only One 'actual' ''truth''. How does tHaT oNe know 'that'? Apart from for themselves. Untransferably. They know THAT for everyone. Does ThAt OnE know what it is? wHaT is that one? Are they THE ONE?!?!? The all knowing? Not even God knows that.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 3:52 pm 'That' 'one' says there is only One 'actual' ''truth''. How does tHaT oNe know 'that'? Apart from for themselves. Untransferably. They know THAT for everyone. Does ThAt OnE know what it is? wHaT is that one? Are they THE ONE?!?!? The all knowing? Not even God knows that.

Wow. You know what God knows.

Nice to have first hand information.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 5:25 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 3:52 pm 'That' 'one' says there is only One 'actual' ''truth''. How does tHaT oNe know 'that'? Apart from for themselves. Untransferably. They know THAT for everyone. Does ThAt OnE know what it is? wHaT is that one? Are they THE ONE?!?!? The all knowing? Not even God knows that.

Wow. You know what God knows.

Nice to have first hand information.

I don't need it. I just need the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Which you can prove with senior high 'math'. That's a pretty blasphemous moniker you got there.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 10:02 am Hello again L acewing

Hello! and thank you.

Checking in to see what's new and different here.

Can anyone offer an interesting brief summary of the past 16 months on the forum?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:57 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Aye, it's all aesthetics at the end of the day.

Seems so!

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:57 pm Is there anybody else out there apart from yourself, Lacewing, & Belinda?

There seems to be a strong human drive (and need) to proclaim single truths that must apply to all others, rather than considering that there might be many ways or paths with or without specific destinations in mind. And it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other. Also, it seems to me that paths/perspectives never actually reach an end point (even if someone might cling to them for a while)... there is always more to evolve/expand into. Can anyone demonstrate an end point -- and what would be the purpose of that? Our natural world demonstrates an ongoing creative and revolving process, yes?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:34 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:52 am I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Yes, one of the traits of mine that I continually attempt to abate. Lacewing in particular used to bring out the worst in me...

You're blaming that on ME?

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:26 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:34 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:52 am I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Yes, one of the traits of mine that I continually attempt to abate. Lacewing in particular used to bring out the worst in me...

You're blaming that on ME?

Welcome back, Lacewing! It's good to see you posting again.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:21 pm I don't worship anything or anyone. But know all atheists are wrong.

Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

I understand the point you are making. But honestly, I see little conflict in the world religions. As I have stated many times on this forum, all these various religions - Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity (Islam exception)- formed from people within those cutltures being affected/influenced by this entity that I now know does exist. I believe (since sage upon introduction taught me a couple of things about reincarnation - that is not a "Christian" thang eithier!) - I believe that we reincarnate through time and a born into the religion or atheist family per karma and how we lived our former life. That is to say, from all I know about you, you were born into some USA heavy duty wack-job form of "Christianity" and am now 'spiritual' - not a believer in the life of Christ. There's no problem with that.
But certainly to KNOW GOD I can confim is via Christ (likely GOD can be known via other religions) , and boy do I know this entity. I've seen the tail and the head of the coin that is GOD.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:26 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:34 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:52 am I never really engaged much with atto because I was too entangled in my own ideas pertaining to the nondual nature of reality. And another reason I didn’t engage with atto much was because he was always being horrible to me.

Yes, one of the traits of mine that I continually attempt to abate. Lacewing in particular used to bring out the worst in me...

You're blaming that on ME?

Of course!!

..oh yes, welcome back LW!

Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 1:26 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:57 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:21 am Maybe what we each 'experience' and 'know' is useful (and therefore 'true') for each of us. God... no god... whatever. Multiple views and experiences can simultaneously exist and be perceived as 'truth', yes? Look at how many supposed and varied theist/atheist 'truths' there are throughout human history in opposition to each other. Has it mattered for anyone other than each one who finds value in whatever way they do?

Aye, it's all aesthetics at the end of the day.

Seems so!

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 12:57 pm Is there anybody else out there apart from yourself, Lacewing, & Belinda?

There seems to be a strong human drive (and need) to proclaim single truths that must apply to all others, rather than considering that there might be many ways or paths with or without specific destinations in mind. And it doesn't seem to matter one way or the other. Also, it seems to me that paths/perspectives never actually reach an end point (even if someone might cling to them for a while)... there is always more to evolve/expand into. Can anyone demonstrate an end point -- and what would be the purpose of that? Our natural world demonstrates an ongoing creative and revolving process, yes?

Yes.

I then followed up with a babbling discourse, which when I submitted, I was prompted to re-connect. And it disappeared. Disproportionately soul destroying : )

To paraphrase, I'm fascinated by the different ways of being, here, under that umbrella of the strong drive to proclaim universal truth. Certainty. We are so fearful for our identity, ultimately in the face of permanent obliteration, that we will believe anything that pushes back against that void, down to the biased neuron. Rebuilding the soul here. Saving drafts as I go now. One has a chance with a minority of believers, they can still think downstream of belief. I come here to have my tyres kicked, and so far one believer is engaging. It's the irrational non-believers that fascinate me. I've led a sheltered life obviously. One thing the vast majority do not like, believer or non, to the point of putting it in their blind spot, is infinity. It's the factiest fact of all. Soul restored.

I like your use of revolving, that seems to resonate with infinity. Nothing can change. Ever, implicitly, obviously.